Originally posted by JediRobin23
http://youtu.be/VEIrQUXm_hYSounds like Lucas is making it quite clear ep 7 was just all about the money. Sure worked well by making it similar to anh, or the guarantee
Oh, how I miss the days of Lucas delivering us something that has never been done before...
i don't know how you gathered that that's what he was saying, because he wasn't.
as far as the similarity to ANH:
"You see the echo of where it all’s gonna go. It’s like poetry. They rhyme." -george lucas (referring to the similarities of the PT films to the OT)
Yeah I still enjoyed the scene itself. I thought it was well shot and acted all around. The moment Han thinks he is getting through to his son. Then you see the last remnants of the sun dry up as darkness overtakes Ben's face. I thought it was great symbolic imagery for what was about to happen. And the look on Han's face when Kylo runs him through.
Well...what I want to see out of eps 8 and 9 is a restored Jedi Order, preferably with Luke teaching not only Raye but a bunch of others. For Luke's story to end any kind of well, he's gotta have a new Order going before he dies. Not that it's any sure thing, of course. If something happens to Mark Hamil, that's all she wrote.
Still, I read an essay from a guy who noted what I noted.
Basically, from ROTJ, it's ALL downhill for the original cast. Luke tries and fails miserably to rebuild the jedi. Han and Leia have a kid who turns evil and break up over it. The big 3 are all living lonely, painful lives. And for Han, it will never get better. His story is over. Then again, he's not a Skywalker, so...
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
it was a bit too obvious to me what was about to transpire, which kinda took away from the tension. maybe it was the whole scene with a bridge over the bottomless chasm, sans-railings, that laid it on a tad thick.
Well, I liked it a lot because of the shots leading up to it. You can see when Han decides to walk out and call Ben, you see that he realises this is an all or nothing shot. That's what makes this scene so great to me. It's the build up... I thought it was tragic. And endearing.
Mind you, this is exactly what Luke did in ROTJ. He went up to Vader to save him and he'd either die doing so or be successful. Han does the same thing here. In the end SW is mainly about love and family. Not about concepts, not about spaceships etc. So to me, this is a mirroring moment from what Luke did. Except... this is a major character change of Han... And therefore: great!
Originally posted by Ushgarak
You're getting increasingly speculative there. No Imperial ship was seen to escape as is and the Rebels seemed to have total control of the area. They could have blown away every ship leaving. After all, blowing up the Death Star with the Emperor on it was actually the Rebel's plan. "Bye bye, Mr. Emperor" goes Wedge. Story over.They;d won the war. That was it. The Emperor didn't have a plan beyond 'win the battle'- there was nothing in particular for Luke to stop. It wouldn't have taken much to give some shenanigans for Luke to shut down, but there was nothing there.
I thought the Emperor's whole strategy with the Battle of Endor was to crush the Rebellion with an "armed and fully operational" Death Star? Meaning, he lured them into a honey pot death trap. It was supposed to seem like the Rebels caught the Empire off guard with their new Death Star but the Emperor had a surprise for the rebels.
It was almost a crushing defeat of the Rebels, actually. They lost some capital ships. If it wasn't for the absurd luck the Millennium Falcon always seems to have (that is a recurring trope for that ship and it is continuing into the ST (sequel trilogy), as well).
The Emperor's character "development" (really, his "static character"😉 was that his arrogance and overconfidence was his undoing. He planned to turn Luke to the Dark Side to replace his cyborg apprentice. He planned to defeat the majority of the rebels at the Battle of Endor. He did not anticipate that Luke would resist the Dark Side. He did not anticipate the absurd luck of the Millennium Falcon. Both of those elements were things he did not foresee. And that was the direct cause of his downfall and the Empire's downfall.
Also, the Emperor reveals that Vader would never leave the Dark Side. Also, the Emperor reveals that it was his plans for the Rebels to discover the secret plans about the shield generator: it was a trap to lure them. Admiral Akbar correctly recognized the Emperor's plan: it's a trap.
Also, Luke wasn't there to stop the Emperor, directly. He was there to try and bring Vader back to the light side (and, indirectly, overthrow the Emperor).
So, yeah, I strongly disagree with your statement about the Emperor's plans. The movie makes it quite obvious what the Emperor's plans are. And his plans are multilayered and complex. His plans should have succeeded. But the damn rebel scum had luck on their side.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
You know, I'd still like to see GL make a Star Wars film. The franchise is wide open now; he could make one of the spin-offs.He won't, of course, but I'd have been interested.
You know what would be great? He does some of the smaller projects he's always talked about, and then goes back to do a Star Wars film.
Probably won't happen due to the politics of it though.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought the Emperor's whole strategy with the Battle of Endor was to crush the Rebellion with an "armed and fully operational" Death Star? Meaning, he lured them into a honey pot death trap. It was supposed to seem like the Rebels caught the Empire off guard with their new Death Star but the Emperor had a surprise for the rebels.It was almost a crushing defeat of the Rebels, actually. They lost some capital ships. If it wasn't for the absurd luck the Millennium Falcon always seems to have (that is a recurring trope for that ship and it is continuing into the ST (sequel trilogy), as well).
The Emperor's character "development" (really, his "static character"😉 was that his arrogance and overconfidence was his undoing. He planned to turn Luke to the Dark Side to replace his cyborg apprentice. He planned to defeat the majority of the rebels at the Battle of Endor. He did not anticipate that Luke would resist the Dark Side. He did not anticipate the absurd luck of the Millennium Falcon. Both of those elements were things he did not foresee. And that was the direct cause of his downfall and the Empire's downfall.
Also, the Emperor reveals that Vader would never leave the Dark Side. Also, the Emperor reveals that it was his plans for the Rebels to discover the secret plans about the shield generator: it was a trap to lure them. Admiral Akbar correctly recognized the Emperor's plan: it's a trap.
Also, Luke wasn't there to stop the Emperor, directly. He was there to try and bring Vader back to the light side (and, indirectly, overthrow the Emperor).
So, yeah, I strongly disagree with your statement about the Emperor's plans. The movie makes it quite obvious what the Emperor's plans are. And his plans are multilayered and complex. His plans should have succeeded. But the damn rebel scum had luck on their side.
Sorry, but that all completely misses the point of what the discussion was about. You'll have to go back and check again I am afraid in order to understand what was being discussed- you will see I even specifically noted his plan to use the Death Star. This is to do with what difference Luke being on the Death Star made to the final outcome of the Battle. Everything you just said there simply confirms the difference was zero, because the Emperor wasn't actually doing anything other than watching- as I say, the plan is 'win the battle', which fails irrelevant of Luke. This isn't about pre-laid plans, it is about relevant activity at that moment.