Back for some Quanchi-Humiliation over the weekend.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Loki doesn't try to kill his opponents right out of the gate so that is what is different between both he and Khan.
Oh, really?
So I suppose this is why Khan does actually kill Kirk and Scotty in that scene and the daughter of Markus. Furthermore, he continues to kill Kirk again and then shoots the life-support of the Enterprise, killing all people on board to recover his crew after everyone else is dead.
No. Wait. That's not what happens. Actually he gets fooled by Spock, because of not pursuing the ruthless path.
So, actually, the only instance where Khan kills people "out of the gate" it is his suprise attack on the Klingons, where he sets out to specifically kill them. In all other situations, he does access the situation in a tactical way, instead of just killing everybody in sight [which is what you assume].
If you want to construct a situation in which Khan instantly does all he can to overwhelm his opponent, we would need to assume that Kylo does the same. If you want them to act "in character", they would both access the respective thread first, with Kylo (using the Force to analyse Khan and read his mind) could do much faster than Khan could vice versa. Which means he probably wouldn't let Khan fire in the first place.
And even if we follow your heavily biased setup, where Khan just instantly starts firing at Kylo: So what? We have seen how Kylo is perfectly capable of reacting to a shot fired at his back with such speed and efficiency, that he freezes the bolt mid-air and does the same to the person delivering it. Note again: A shot that was fired at his back.
In this particular thread setup, both opponents will face eachother and [to debunk the stupid "but Kylo was shot by Chewie" argument] focus on eachother. And what would Khan do now? Kylo would know that he wants to fire before he even raises his weapon, and he would act accordingly, by either attacking Khan with the Force (against which Khan has no defense), prepare to deflect the bolts coming (which he has done with a 100 percent efficiency in the movie, when he was focused on combat).
Even if one assumes that Khan does actually manage to fire his weapon (because Kylo, for whatever reason, not focusing on the fight), I might as well point back to the fact, that he did react to a shot fired behind his back in a perfect fashion. So even ignoring the fact, that he would probably wreck Khan, before the latter is even capable of doing so much as aiming at his opponent, Khan will definitely not get more than one shot off - which Kylo would stop. And ffs: Considering the absolute casual way in which he does it, he would probably be prepared to stop multiple shots, should the [unlikely] case come up, that he needs to do so.
And even though we are already not walking on thin ice (but rather thin air) with the aforementioned line of thought (Khan getting shot or multiple shots off), we can even go one step further. What happens if Khan actually hits Kylo?
Quanchi assumes that Kylo would just drop on the floor dead. That's rather far away from the actual depiction of Kylo in TFA. The entire movie is, basically, an informational for Chewie's bowcaster, which appears to be the unholy lovechild of the Wookie's former weapon and a howitzer. Whenever that gun fires, we see people getting killed, getting tossed around like ragdolls and, in general, dying a horrible dead in the deluge of destruction. In one scene, a single shot from the bowcaster delivered by Han Solo kills two armored Stormtroopers standing in the close proximity of the impact point of the shot.
Kylo tanks a direkt hit from that thing. He doesn't get thrown back. He doesn't succumb to instant death, like everything else being hit by that murder machine. He gets on his knee for a minute, gets up and walks it off. Actually, he doesn't just walk it off but proceeds to go fighting Rey and Finn. So even if by freak events Kylo first doesn't care about Khan, then lets Khan shoot and then even gets hit: So effing what? He will get up, wounded, and kill Khan anyway. Because he can.
That's my argument and it's consistent. Just let this thread die. Khan wins.
Your "argument" is only consistent in its outright absurdity, idiocy, fanboy tendencies and bias. The fact that you don't just admit defeat and crawl back into your cave, doesn't make you look brave - it just makes you look like a moron, who is too stupid to accept the facts, even when they bite his ass off.
I've won.
KMC's Idiot of the Year Award, maybe. Which is quite a feat in itself, provided it's still January. 👆
Originally posted by NaiHere you come again embarrassing yourself to the guy who you won't accept the challenge from because you're scared. You're ignoring the context of the scene and the fact he used those crew members as leverage. The best part is as soon as he teleported them back he attacked the enterprise to destroy it thus maintaining my point. This is a one on one fight so the best tactical path is to put your opponent down as fast as possible hence the Klingon scene. But in the scene you referenced he still ruthlessly attacked them when they were aboard. He intended on destroying the entire crew.
Back for some Quanchi-Humiliation over the weekend.Oh, really?
So I suppose this is why Khan does actually kill Kirk and Scotty in that scene and the daughter of Markus. Furthermore, he continues to kill Kirk again and then shoots the life-support of the Enterprise, killing all people on board to recover his crew after everyone else is dead.
No. Wait. That's not what happens. Actually he gets fooled by Spock, because of not pursuing the ruthless path.
So, actually, the only instance where Khan kills people "out of the gate" it is his suprise attack on the Klingons, where he sets out to specifically kill them. In all other situations, he does access the situation in a tactical way, instead of just killing everybody in sight [which is what you assume].If you want to construct a situation in which Khan instantly does all he can to overwhelm his opponent, we would need to assume that Kylo does the same. If you want them to act "in character", they would both access the respective thread first, with Kylo (using the Force to analyse Khan and read his mind) could do much faster than Khan could vice versa. Which means he probably wouldn't let Khan fire in the first place.
And even if we follow your heavily biased setup, where Khan just instantly starts firing at Kylo: So what? We have seen how Kylo is perfectly capable of reacting to a shot fired at his back with such speed and efficiency, that he freezes the bolt mid-air and does the same to the person delivering it. Note again: A shot that was fired at his back.
In this particular thread setup, both opponents will face eachother and [to debunk the stupid "but Kylo was shot by Chewie" argument] focus on eachother. And what would Khan do now? Kylo would know that he wants to fire before he even raises his weapon, and he would act accordingly, by either attacking Khan with the Force (against which Khan has no defense), prepare to deflect the bolts coming (which he has done with a 100 percent efficiency in the movie, when he was focused on combat).
Even if one assumes that Khan does actually manage to fire his weapon (because Kylo, for whatever reason, not focusing on the fight), I might as well point back to the fact, that he did react to a shot fired behind his back in a perfect fashion. So even ignoring the fact, that he would probably wreck Khan, before the latter is even capable of doing so much as aiming at his opponent, Khan will definitely not get more than one shot off - which Kylo would stop. And ffs: Considering the absolute casual way in which he does it, he would probably be prepared to stop multiple shots, should the [unlikely] case come up, that he needs to do so.
And even though we are already not walking on thin ice (but rather thin air) with the aforementioned line of thought (Khan getting shot or multiple shots off), we can even go one step further. What happens if Khan actually hits Kylo?
Quanchi assumes that Kylo would just drop on the floor dead. That's rather far away from the actual depiction of Kylo in TFA. The entire movie is, basically, an informational for Chewie's bowcaster, which appears to be the unholy lovechild of the Wookie's former weapon and a howitzer. Whenever that gun fires, we see people getting killed, getting tossed around like ragdolls and, in general, dying a horrible dead in the deluge of destruction. In one scene, a single shot from the bowcaster delivered by Han Solo kills two armored Stormtroopers standing in the close proximity of the impact point of the shot.
Kylo tanks a direkt hit from that thing. He doesn't get thrown back. He doesn't succumb to instant death, like everything else being hit by that murder machine. He gets on his knee for a minute, gets up and walks it off. Actually, he doesn't just walk it off but proceeds to go fighting Rey and Finn. So even if by freak events Kylo first doesn't care about Khan, then lets Khan shoot and then even gets hit: So effing what? He will get up, wounded, and kill Khan anyway. Because he can.
Your "argument" is only consistent in its outright absurdity, idiocy, fanboy tendencies and bias. The fact that you don't just admit defeat and crawl back into your cave, doesn't make you look brave - it just makes you look like a moron, who is too stupid to accept the facts, even when they bite his ass off.
KMC's Idiot of the Year Award, maybe. Which is quite a feat in itself, provided it's still January. 👆
Kylo did have the same intentions against Finn. He didn't put down a non force user down ASAP. What makes it even worse for your ridiculous stance is that he was injured and still chose to fight him with a saber when he didn't have to. Kylo being tagged by a sanitation trooper. We also see he wanted to interrogate Rey and guess what he deflected multiple shots before he ultimately froze her. He didn't freeze her right out of the gate despite nothing stopping him from doing so. It isn't in character. I gave two examples.
He reacted due to the distance between the two. Quit ignoring the distance but hypocritically you ignore the shot fired by Chewie. If his reaction time was this good he'd be able to dance around Finn and never be worried at a much slower lightsaber coming at him. In a fist fight force users have intuition but their reactions are not on another flash like level despite fanboys like you wanting that to be the case.
Khan's weapon fires more than one shot at a much quicker rate. Did Poe ever rattle off multiple shots with that gun ? You're ignoring Khan's gun and multiple scenes because you're consumed with bias.
Khan would put multiple holes in him. We see him put three holes in one opponent. We also see that shot kept him down and vulnerable. He didn't bounce back immediately or even move forward. Chewie also shot him in the side not in a vital organ or did he put multiple holes in him.
Quit ignoring what he hit and acting like all shots have the same effect regardless of the location of the wounds.
Dude, he got up and wasn't being attacked. He didn't even attack Chewie. Chewie then proceeds to run a train on Stormtroopers. He didn't even attack the guy who shot him and he had the force. Man the **** up, Kylo. He goes on to get his ass raped by an inexperienced force user. 😂
You ignoring the context of various scenes, behavior of the characters, etc. just shows you are kind of ridiculous but sorry Khan wins. Accept it you coward.
Ten takes this, his screen feats demonstrate a much more powerful combat ability of force wielding and light sabre skills
Someone has probably whined about "b ren was hit by chewie with a blaster shot" my answer to that is suck it up he just killed his dad after struggling to accept himself to do the deed and become more powerful... It was holding him back emotionally and "traini wise" (according to snook)
Simply put KYLO'S reaction time with the blaster shot early in the movie was impressive enough and to be able to take on a blaster shot and still keep going was awesome. Full on TK powers in full here and a lights amber to match, khan doesn't have much hope