Originally posted by quanchi112
And when the time came the emperor was killed.
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Only because he chose to slowly torture the kid in front of him. All the while being able to sense emotions and yet not sensing the turmoil in Vader Luke did..despite sensing Vader was in danger lightyears away in the past.
If Palpatine just straight up sliced Luke's head off with a lightsaber what do you feel Vader would of done?
Originally posted by SurturPrior to he tried talking Luke into killing the emperor. All we have are the facts. He chose Luke and the light in the end.
Only because he chose to slowly torture the kid in front of him. All the while being able to sense emotions and yet not sensing the turmoil in Vader Luke did..despite sensing Vader was in danger lightyears away in the past.If Palpatine just straight up sliced Luke's head off with a lightsaber what do you feel Vader would of done?
Speculation. We only know what did occur.
Originally posted by quanchi112
And when the time came the emperor was killed.
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Originally posted by SurturThat shouldn't matter according to you but that clearly mattered to him. That's your opinion not Vader's.
You keep defending this with "they weren't his own kids". Uh that shouldn't matter. Yes, he isn't a complete dick and didn't like seeing his own child tortured by the guy he had..willingly decided to bring Luke to in the first place.I'm not saying he didn't have a smidge of good, just that his evil acts were worse. Killing family isn't always the worst thing you can possibly do, the murder of many children is worse to me.
Spoiler:
Luke failed to bring Kylo to the light as did his own father. Kylo surpassed him in evil.
You're also ignoring the Jedi were the enemy to Anakin. He agreed they all needed to be put down. He didn't go right at Kenobi either in spite of him believing he was against him as was his own wife. The reason is because it's harder to kill someone you're closed to than people you aren't and in a war time situation.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
He didn't fail to kill luke. He had orders not to. All sith look for a chance to kill their master. That is literally how the darkside works. Was plagous' aprentice a good guy for killing him. Also evil=/= power. Even if vader was the most saintly man in the galaxy, he is still stronger than kylo and iron man.
Iyo. Luke brought him back to the light. He appeared as a Jedi force ghost. He ended redeemed. Undeniable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prior to he tried talking Luke into killing the emperor. All we have are the facts. He chose Luke and the light in the end.Speculation. We only know what did occur.
He wanted Luke to kill the Emperor, but not because the Emperor was an evil guy..it was because Vader wanted him and Luke to replace him. He flat out says this to Luke at one point.
He chose light in the end, but he committed acts more evil then anything you described Ren doing. People tend to think Vader only turned evil because of Padme, but that wasn't 100% the reason. He had a lust for power as well.
Originally posted by SurturYes, so he wasn't against the idea of choosing his own son over the emelrir even as far back as ESB.
He wanted Luke to kill the Emperor, but not because the Emperor was an evil guy..it was because Vader wanted him and Luke to replace him. He flat out says this to Luke at one point.He chose light in the end, but he committed acts more evil then anything you described Ren doing. People tend to think Vader only turned evil because of Padme, but that wasn't 100% the reason. He had a lust for power as well.
False. Your opinion doesn't override Vader's which is what matters. You don't get to define evil for others. Vader was tricked and deceived due to his fear of loss. It stemmed back to the loss of his mother. He was weak. Even weaker that he let himself get redeemed in the end.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilHe didn't go at Kenobi right away., Anakin felt he was the enemy and stated an absolute. Kenobi knew he was lost and said he'd defend himself. They failed to kill Kenobi. He didn't fake shit. Sidious said they had to kill every single Jedi. Ffs watch the film.
No. Sidious ordered him to the temple abd then ordered him to mastafar. He wasn't evading kenobi. Besides, obi wan faked his death. There was no reason to go after him
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Five bucks says kylo returns to the light by the end of the sreies.
I actually read a few rumours around the web that this might actually be the case. I really hope it isn't though. Kylo should turn full Dark instead of literally just doing a complete Vader, redemption and all.
Originally posted by relentless1
if they had the balls they would keep him evil and have him die for his sins, change the story up at least a little bit
Hoping for this. As mentioned above, Vader already did the Dark to Light redemption thing. They should have Kylo come back even darker after his next training with Snoke.