Originally posted by The_TempestThe emperor attacked his former master while he slept. Cowardly. Sidious also begged a Jedi to spare his life. Cowardly. Sidious also sent thousands of troops out to kill the remaining Jedi with Vader. Cowardly. Yoda found him and Sidious tried running. Cowardly.
Actually, per the source material, Snoke rules from a mobile command base so as to avoid detection. Between that and his reluctance to try to seize power while the Emperor was alive, all things point to Snoke being quite feminine.
Snoke is a love Sidious is dead due to stupidity. He was a coward in life and died screaming like a ***** in death. Just let him go. He's weak.
No need to get emotional, quan. No one's denying the Emperor's fear. It's just that Snoke didn't make his move until after Palpatine died, despite alleging to have watched the Empire rise and fall. Seems like he was afraid of both the Emperor and Luke.
Besides, you don't really think the Emperor is weak. He's one of your favorite Star Wars characters, by your own admission. 🙂
Originally posted by The_TempestThe emperor didn't make his move until he attacked his master while he slept. Somehow Palpatine showing patience is a good thing but someone else doing so somehow it becomes fear. Your bias is showing.
No need to get emotional, quan. No one's denying the Emperor's fear. It's just that Snoke didn't make his move until after Palpatine died, despite alleging to have watched the Empire rise and fall. Seems like he was afraid of both the Emperor and Luke.Besides, you don't really think the Emperor is weak. He's one of your favorite Star Wars characters, by your own admission. 🙂
Yes, he is which shows lots of weak characters since he ran wild. Have him attempt to manipulate Khan and he'd get the Admiral Marcus treatment.
You're overreacting: I already told you no one is denying the Emperor's fear. I'm not condemning him for being sneaky nor am I condemning Snoke for waiting until the Emperor was dead. No double standard on my end.
I'm just pointing out that both of them apparently try their hardest to avoid a risky fight if they can manage it.
You're the one bashing one and praising the other for similar tactics. 😉
I don't understand your second paragraph. You admit that the Emperor is one of your favorite characters but also say you hate weakness. Logically, the Emperor wouldn't be one of your favorite characters if you truly thought him weak. So I can only conclude you really don't find him weak. 🙂
Originally posted by The_TempestWe don't know that so you can't assume. We can speculate till the cows come home but the emperor wouldn't leave himself to be vulnerable and to challenge a galactic empire at the wrong moment would be foolish not cowardly.
You're overreacting: I already told you no one is denying the Emperor's fear. I'm not condemning him for being sneaky nor am I condemning Snoke for waiting until the Emperor was dead. No double standard on my end.I'm just pointing out that both of them apparently try their hardest to avoid a risky fight if they can manage it.
You're the one bashing one and praising the other for similar tactics. 😉
I don't understand your second paragraph. You admit that the Emperor is one of your favorite characters but also say you hate weakness. Logically, the Emperor wouldn't be one of your favorite characters if you truly thought him weak. So I can only conclude you really don't find him weak. 🙂
We don't know what about Snoke but we do know that about Palpatine.
Incorrect. You're making assumptions based off speculation whereas we know the circumstances of the fear Palpatine displayed.
He is weak. Most of the Star Wars characters are weak. Just because I like him doesn't make him strong just better than those around him until Snoke imo. Maul is my favorite pre Snoke.
Nah, you assume all the time lol. Snoke says he watched the Empire rise and fall, yet he didn't act until after the Emperor died. We can infer just as much from those facts as we can from the fact that the Emperor killed Plagueis in his sleep. Palpatine died without his killer "challenging a Galactic Empire." It's called assassination. Smart and cowardly aren't mutually exclusive.
So the fact remains that Palpatine didn't act in a risky way and neither did Snoke. 👍
So you like weak characters? Intriguing.
Originally posted by The_TempestWhy would he attack an emperor who had a galactic empire at his control ? What if he foresaw his fall ? What if the emperor never gave him the chance for a one on one duel ? Did Yoda ever try again ? Nah.
Nah, you assume all the time lol. Snoke says he watched the Empire rise and fall, yet he didn't act until after the Emperor died. We can infer just as much from those facts as we can from the fact that the Emperor killed Plagueis in his sleep. Palpatine died without his killer "challenging a Galactic Empire." It's called assassination. Smart and cowardly aren't mutually exclusive.So the fact remains that Palpatine didn't act in a risky way and neither did Snoke. 👍
So you like weak characters? Intriguing.
Palpatine died because he risked hai hold over the galaxy to recruit one Jedi. That's awful considering Vader was his father and he didn't foresee Vader turning.
Snoke is alive and Palpatine foolishly died risking it all over Luke.
Maul isn't weak. When we see Snoke more over the years and I am proven correct I want you to renounce Palpatine.
Hey, I'm not knocking the guy for biding his time. I'm just saying he was clearly afraid to try to do the job himself. Again, you can be smart and be a coward at the same time. I don't belittle patience and cunning like you do.
As far as the Jedi and Sith were concerned, no one could renounce the dark side. That's why Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't believe Vader could be redeemed and neither did the Emperor. Obviously he was wrong, but he had no reason to believe Vader would turn on him out of sentiment.
Snoke being alive doesn't mean anything more than all the various characters in Harry Potter who outlived Voldemort. 👍
Maul must be weak, he lost to Sidious and fled from him. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't know that so you can't assume. We can speculate till the cows come home but the emperor wouldn't leave himself to be vulnerable and to challenge a galactic empire at the wrong moment would be foolish not cowardly.We don't know what about Snoke but we do know that about Palpatine.
Incorrect. You're making assumptions based off speculation whereas we know the circumstances of the fear Palpatine displayed.
He is weak. Most of the Star Wars characters are weak. Just because I like him doesn't make him strong just better than those around him until Snoke imo. Maul is my favorite pre Snoke.
Do you know how stupid you look here? I mean it's downright hilarious. You're accusing Tempest (somebody with vastly more star wars knowledge than you) of assuming things. When in fact, you're the main person doing the assuming. We can SAFELY and WITHOUT any ambiguity say Sids is above Snoke. It's not even a contest. Palps has actual wins under his belt, snoke has ZERO wins under his belt. Yet, you're still saying he's above Sids. That is the definition of a retarded assumption. I know it's hard, but try thinking before you type stupidity
Originally posted by The_TempestAttacking your master while he slept is cowardice. Vader just said **** this and killed the emperor. That's taking out your master like a man. You have nothing to base this off of since there was no known opportunity to attack him alone. Yoda makes it clear he will have one chance in the films. You're just making shit up.
Hey, I'm not knocking the guy for biding his time. I'm just saying he was clearly afraid to try to do the job himself. Again, you can be smart and be a coward at the same time. I don't belittle patience and cunning like you do.As far as the Jedi and Sith were concerned, no one could renounce the dark side. That's why Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't believe Vader could be redeemed and neither did the Emperor. Obviously he was wrong, but he had no reason to believe Vader would turn on him out of sentiment.
Snoke being alive doesn't mean anything more than all the various characters in Harry Potter who outlived Voldemort. 👍
Maul must be weak, he lost to Sidious and fled from him. 🙂
To not see the possibility someone as mentally weak as Anakin could turn in the beat of the moment when he did so already is beyond stupid. He risked all of this to gain another Jedi when he already held the Galaxy.
Snoke rose to power. Did the other characters ? Nah.
Maul was outnumbered but took him on. He never ran from a fair fight. Maul still lives unlike that dead Vader victim.
Vader attacked the Emperor while he was distracted and torturing Luke. And died in the attempt. The entire reason he tried to recruit Luke to begin with is because he knew he couldn't take the Emperor in a "fair fight."
Cowardice comes in many forms. Like waiting until a man is dead before trying to take power yourself. Clearly Snoke was too afraid of the Emperor to attempt the deed himself. Sad.
Snoke did rise to power... But only after the Emperor died. 🙂
Actually, the first time Maul took Sidious on, he had his brother for backup. He lost, begged, and was taken captive. Then he fled again on Dathomir. Weak. 😬
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNo, we don't know that. That's your assumption when you're flat out incorrect. In another thread he agreed Sidious defeats Yoda despite you saying Yoda and easily thus you just owned yourself.
Do you know how stupid you look here? I mean it's downright hilarious. You're accusing Tempest (somebody with vastly more star wars knowledge than you) of assuming things. When in fact, you're the main person doing the assuming. We can SAFELY and WITHOUT any ambiguity say Sids is above Snoke. It's not even a contest. Palps has actual wins under his belt, snoke has ZERO wins under his belt. Yet, you're still saying he's above Sids. That is the definition of a retarded assumption. I know it's hard, but try thinking before you type stupidity
I am saying I predict he will be more powerful than Sidious much like the starkiller was vastly better than the Death Star. Wait and see, nonbeliever.
Originally posted by The_TempestHe used cunning in a situation he was one handed. He wanted to rule the empire as father and son. He just believed that the emperor foresaw Luke doing so but he was wrong as Vader killed him.
Vader attacked the Emperor while he was distracted and torturing Luke. And died in the attempt. The entire reason he tried to recruit Luke to begin with is because he knew he couldn't take the Emperor in a "fair fight."Cowardice comes in many forms. Like waiting until a man is dead before trying to take power yourself. Clearly Snoke was too afraid of the Emperor to attempt the deed himself. Sad.
Snoke did rise to power... But only after the Emperor died. 🙂
Actually, the first time Maul took Sidious on, he had his brother for backup. He lost, begged, and was taken captive. Then he fled again on Dathomir. Weak. 😬
Iyo not mine. Why kill someone yourself when you foresee their death especially when they have an empire and won't make it easy.
Snoke already had a greater weapon in his Arsenal and I'd like to extend a personal challenge to you. I'll debate Snoke and his first order against the imperial empire of the ot with Palpatine.
Sidious came and challenged him. Opress is a lot weaker than Maul. Sidious is more powerful than both so challenging two you're clearly better than isn't showing courage at all.
To challenge three on one isn't weak it's stupid. He lives. Palpatine already had to beg for Anakin's help to stave off Windu. Let's not act like he's above begging or needing another's help to save him from a big bad Jedi before.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, we don't know that. That's your assumption when you're flat out incorrect. In another thread he agreed Sidious defeats Yoda despite you saying Yoda and easily thus you just owned yourself.I am saying I predict he will be more powerful than Sidious much like the starkiller was vastly better than the Death Star. Wait and see, nonbeliever.
It's not an assumption you moron...
1. Sids killed 3 acclaimed Jedi masters in a matter of moments
2. Went life and death with Yoda
3. Literally killed Vader after a sneak attack
NOW... This is what I want NAME ME SNOKE FEATS... Ready set go?
As you can clearly see, it's not an assumption Sids is above Sids, he is based on feats. Snoke may get more, but as of now, he EXPONENTIALLY BELOW SIDS. That isn't an assumption that is a fact. You're ASSUMING Snoke will get more feats, and feats that put him above Sids. That is assumption 101 noob
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's not an assumption you moron...1. Sids killed 3 acclaimed Jedi masters in a matter of moments
2. Went life and death with Yoda
3. Literally killed Vader after a sneak attackNOW... This is what I want NAME ME SNOKE FEATS... Ready set go?
As you can clearly see, it's not an assumption Sids is above Sids, he is based on feats. Snoke may get more, but as of now, he EXPONENTIALLY BELOW SIDS. That isn't an assumption that is a fact. You're ASSUMING Snoke will get more feats, and feats that put him above Sids. That is assumption 101 noob
Opress lasted longer than those Jedi weaklings. Windu beat his ass.
I said I predict. Do you know what predict means. Obviously not. When that day comes I'll Snoke your ass. He's kinda my guy, sport.
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