Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Featless weaklings.
2. He failed to kill Yoda. He had him at his mercy for over thirty seconds. Weak.
3. Vader had one hand and he killed him. Awful.Opress lasted longer than those Jedi weaklings. Windu beat his ass.
I said I predict. Do you know what predict means. Obviously not. When that day comes I'll Snoke your ass. He's kinda my guy, sport.
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No substance there what so ever. So you concede, as of now Sids (by feats) is above Snoke correct?
Originally posted by quanchi112
He used cunning in a situation he was one handed. He wanted to rule the empire as father and son. He just believed that the emperor foresaw Luke doing so but he was wrong as Vader killed him.Iyo not mine. Why kill someone yourself when you foresee their death especially when they have an empire and won't make it easy.
Snoke already had a greater weapon in his Arsenal and I'd like to extend a personal challenge to you. I'll debate Snoke and his first order against the imperial empire of the ot with Palpatine.
Sidious came and challenged him. Opress is a lot weaker than Maul. Sidious is more powerful than both so challenging two you're clearly better than isn't showing courage at all.
To challenge three on one isn't weak it's stupid. He lives. Palpatine already had to beg for Anakin's help to stave off Windu. Let's not act like he's above begging or needing another's help to save him from a big bad Jedi before.
Vader wanted to kill and usurp the Emperor since ROTS {he even told Padme}. He didn't make an attempt for 20 years until he thought he would have backup in the form of Luke. When he actually did try... he died in the attempt. But you've said elsewhere that Vader is lesser than Sidious, so I know you know better. You're just overreacting. 😬
Well of course it's my opinion. Just like it's your opinion that my opinion is wrong. Again, I'm not knocking Snoke for waiting and hiding. It was clearly the smart thing to do. Just like it was smart for Palpatine to kill Plagueis in his sleep rather than risk a fight he could lose.
Not sure what Snoke having a "greater" weapon has to do with anything. That's what 30 years of technological advances affords you lol.
I don't need to debate Snoke/First Order vs. Palpatine/Empire. We don't have any verifiable feats or accolades to compare Snoke to the Emperor and we know, per official sources, that the First Order's military is "too small" to "rival" the Imperial Navy at its height {The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary}. One questioned is answered already and the other won't be for at least a few more years.
So when Palpatine challenges 4 on 1 and loses, he's weak. When Palpatine challenges 2 on 1 and wins, he's weak. When Maul doesn't challenge 3 on 1 and flees, he's strong.
I think you're just getting too emotional about this. There's no point in carrying on if we can't have an honest conversation. 👆
Originally posted by The_TempestHe made those statements before he lost three more limbs and the majority of his body was burned. He wasn't as powerful as he was pre injuries. Things change when you lose three limbs. He died after he saved his son. Palpatine was the one who went screaming because his fl couldn't stop a one armed cyborg from throwing him to his death.
Vader wanted to kill and usurp the Emperor since ROTS {he even told Padme}. He didn't make an attempt for 20 years until he thought he would have backup in the form of Luke. When he actually did try... he died in the attempt. But you've said elsewhere that Vader is lesser than Sidious, so I know you know better. You're just overreacting. 😬Well of course it's my opinion. Just like it's your opinion that my opinion is wrong. Again, I'm not knocking Snoke for waiting and hiding. It was clearly the smart thing to do. Just like it was smart for Palpatine to kill Plagueis in his sleep rather than risk a fight he could lose.
Not sure what Snoke having a "greater" weapon has to do with anything. That's what 30 years of technological advances affords you lol.
I don't need to debate Snoke/First Order vs. Palpatine/Empire. We don't have any verifiable feats or accolades to compare Snoke to the Emperor and we know, per official sources, that the First Order's military is "too small" to "rival" the Imperial Navy at its height {The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary}. One questioned is answered already and the other won't be for at least a few more years.
So when Palpatine challenges 4 on 1 and loses, he's weak. When Palpatine challenges 2 on 1 and wins, he's weak. When Maul doesn't challenge 3 on 1 and flees, he's strong.
I think you're just getting too emotional about this. There's no point in carrying on if we can't have an honest conversation. 👆
That just shows he's cowardly but we don't know if Snoke had the opportunity for a one on one fight. If he turns out to be Plagueis who knows he might have even foreseen the attempt on his life and knew things had to play out this way.
Chewie was owning Stormtroopers with the same crossbow caster they used in rots. Star Wars really does not progress much. Snoke simply had a greater weapon in his employ.
Then you have no reason to not debate it after the trilogy completes. If it's such a given then accept.
Palpatine lost one on one. The guys Windu brought with him were weak. He had no choice and put himself in that situation by alerting Anakin of him being the Sith Lord.
He was not weak for beating maul and Opress he didn't show courage that's all. Nothing I said is unclear but what is clear you don't have the courage to argue a First Order under the command of Snoke against the imperial army under Palpatine. Do not act like Palpatine here and accept. You already said the result is clear so accept. You have years to prepare.