Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Riv's post may have been referring to offense.I am not his keeper.
Mine was about it being less fancy. Which you asked me to clarify (and I did). You then added an addendum about wanting to compare offensive/defensive abilities, which I never asked for. And got all worked up over nothing, as my initial post (helpfully provided by you, thanks) says, and I repeat, that Batman's tech and equipment is less fancy, more real world.
You obviously didn't comprehend, and asked me to clarify.
Which I did. And by then, you should have realised it was talking about BP's tech being like a kid's toy.
A metal throwing implement that has acid, or taser circuits, or flaming properties, is infinitely more real-world and less fancy than a mini lightsabre.
A computer built into a suit, capable of analysing 1001 chemical compounds, hack into police databases/multinational corp databases, is infinitely more real world and less fancy than a card sized PDA that hacks into the tech that belongs to the universe that came before ours.
I referred to it being less fancy, as being less exotic. By referring to the materials used - incidentally, which is a proper technical term (exotic materials). By referring to the capabilities (if Bats used his suit's computer to hack into, say, Relic's tech, or a Motherbox, that would be something). Blatantly, disingenuously simplistically simplifying Batman's costume? OK.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
But you are talking about whose hung, not me. I have an "obsession?" Your are one twisted little dude.Oh and just because you put Nuh-uh in quotes several times means it's my quote. I never said that, you did because you don't have anything else to say. More lies, Abby Whinehouse?
It's first sign of recovery.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How about someone post some tech from Batman that is actually impressive?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I was talking to riv, within the context of offensive output.
Riv's post may have been referring to offense.I am not his keeper.
You come barging in about Black Panther's costume and his exotic-ness.
How about you shut up, if you don't want to talk about what's being discussed, then go in the corner and say "hey, I'm not riv's keeper"?
I engaged you for the sake of discussion, but don't act like what we're discussing is my initial point.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85What the **** are you on about? I was making fun of you and fetishes for in-comic universe definitions giving you a raging boner. Thus the Nth metal example. Despite the name, Batman has less, by your definition ""exotic shit"" that is far more efficient. Look at you, trying to makes this Nth metal vs Vibranium. Jesus Christ, dude, you don't seem to grasp anything here.
PS: just realised, you DID understand my point - and was attempting to engage me on it. Hence the attempt at bringing up Nth metal rangs etc. So you DO want to go head to head in exotic materials it would seem. So now attempting to say that you've always been talking about the output or more 'valid' criteria is just an attempt to save face.Standard gear. Name a number between 1-5: and I will use that as a multiple.
So if you say 5, for every showing of the Nth metal rangs in Bat's arsenal, I will show....five showings of BP using vibranium? Care to take that wager?
This is not about vibranium vs N-th mental. This is about you, and you ridiculously dumb-way of prioritizing your narrow-minded ''exotic' definition, when you're backed into a corner.
You don't care about versatility, offensive output, effectiveness, capacity to take on a plethora of opponents with different options..
You go on and on about some dense minded "exoticness" like that even matters, beyond being a word you like.
Fact of the matter is:
a). Batman has a lot more options in a fight than Panther
b). A better raw power
If you were to face 100 opponents with different abilities, any sane man would want Batman's equipment.
How about you be a man and have us compare who has a better standard equipment, Batman vs Black Panther. I lend you a batttlezone, will you take it?
Will you dispute that?
@ Philo (why CAN'T I quote you? Weird):
Originally posted by riv6672
No, you got where i was coming from
So riv was also discussing the same point as I was.
So, it seems, you were the only one discussing your own little points.
Thanks for the lovely offer of a BZ, but as we are starting from different points, hardly conducive. You'd probably start talking about who's got a darker shade of black on their outfit or something.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85😐 Are you serious?
So riv was also discussing the same point as I was.
Originally posted by riv6672
Surprised this hasnt been a bigger factor. BP has very deadly offense. More so than Batman, and a willingness to use it.
He posted this in response to Black Panther using energy daggers on Bane [i.e. offensive. again].
The post was blatantly about offense. Mine was blatantly about offense. He was replying to an offense-related post.
Of course he's going to agree with you and say "that's what I've been saying, too. exoticness. defense. hacking galactus. sure......".
Backtracking trolls do that.
Well, this was dissapointing.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85...
You'd probably start talking about who's got a darker shade of black on their outfit or something.
This shit makes me sad.
Originally posted by riv6672You're like a virus, attaching yourself to other people's POV [i.e. Darksaint's], because you have no identity of your own.
I'm glad i never wasted time respecting you.
I figured out you'd rather be belligerent than discuss topics politely pretty much since day one.
That's not dissapointing. That's expected. You're a troll. Just another day of the week for you.
What's dissapointing is him going "see, that was his point, too!" when that's clearly not the case.
Think his original post was about MY post, about energy daggers to Bane's face.
But truth be told, I'm not going to engage in a BZ with you. As I said before, I too have seen the Capability Website. I know full well what Batman is capable of.
So I fully agree with the variety. Effectiveness is debatable (which would you rather be hit by, an energy dagger or a batarang? Can I pick neither?). Power, I also agree (explosive charges, for example, or AoE taser attacks).
I was saying (and always have been) that Batman's toys are less fancy, and more 'real world'. Therefore, in the context of technical sophistication, no, Batman's gear does NOT make BP's gear look like toys. And still stand by that.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Yes. And that's about offensive.
Think his original post was about MY post, about energy daggers to Bane's face.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85It's pretty f*cked up that we agree, but for terminology.
So I fully agree with the variety. Effectiveness is debatable (which would you rather be hit by, an energy dagger or a batarang? Can I pick neither?). Power, I also agree (explosive charges, for example, or AoE taser attacks).I was saying (and always have been) that Batman's toys are less fancy, and more 'real world'. Therefore, in the context of technical sophistication, no, Batman's gear does NOT make BP's gear look like toys. And still stand by that.
In terms of 'sci-fi', Black Panther's equipement is distanced from the real world for the simple fact that it's a in-universe made-up substance. That doesn't mean it's more effective. Or that it offers more variety than Batman's real-world-but-far-more-advanced based equipment. It just means it's more made up.
If you want to call 'more made up' exotic, that's fine. But in terms of potency, in terms of versatility, in terms of 'I can get into a fight with anyone, with any ability, and I'll have options', Batman is better any day of the week. THAT's what makes Black Panther's equipment toys. But then again, what I call toys, you may call exotic. And it's both superimposed definitions on something that can be summed up in efficiency, versatility and raw power - all three of which in Batman outclasses him.
Small point - batarangs are not only metal darts. They come in all kinds of applications - energy fields, immobilisation material generation, electrocuting, acid filled, high-heat generation, magnetic, explosive. That, and they're long range, they're multiple. You know this.
I'll choose them over energy daggers without missing a beat. Again - they're versatile AND with raw power.
Why in the hell would you choose the energy daggers?
Because they attack 'internally', for want of a better word.
Batarangs? If I had a tough enough suit of armour, or was durable enough, they'd explode/bounce off harmlessly.
If I had a high enough damage soak (or was just that bloody minded), then I could conceivably tank a few. Hell, they have real world people now who can, when high/drunk, tank a taser shot or two. Against Punisher, for example? Deadpool? The acid would hurt like hell, but you'd better pray that it puts them down in one shot, because they'll be pissed as hell.
An energy dagger, on the other hand? Scrambles your brains. Bypasses physical durability (as shown with Ultron) and goes straight for your nervous system. Like a taser, but internally, on your brain.
In this thread, as tough as Bane is externally, I haven't seen his internal durability, as it were.