Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-01-02/peaceful-protest-followed-by-oregon-wildlife-refuge-action

BURNS, Ore. (AP) — A peaceful protest Saturday in support of an eastern Oregon ranching family facing jail time for arson was followed shortly afterward by an occupation of a building at a national wildlife refuge.

Ammon Bundy, the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a standoff with the government over grazing rights, told The Oregonian (http://is.gd/bK7d4E ) that he and two of his brothers were among a group of dozens of people occupying the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page asking for people to come help him. He said "this is not a time to stand down. It's a time to stand up and come to Harney County," where Burns is located. Below the video is this statement: "(asterisk)(asterisk)ALL PATRIOTS ITS TIME TO STAND UP NOT STAND DOWN!!! WE NEED YOUR HELP!!! COME PREPARED."

Ammon Bundy said the group planned to stay at the refuge indefinitely. "We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," Ammon Bundy said. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute."

Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward told people to stay away from the building as authorities work to defuse the situation, the Oregonian reported.

"A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front and allow us to work through this situation," Ward said in a statement.

An Idaho militia leader who helped organize the earlier march said he knew nothing about activities after a parade of militia members and local residents in Burns walked past the sheriff's office and the home of Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son Steven.

Ammon Bundy's father, Cliven Bundy, told Oregon Public Broadcasting on Saturday night that he had nothing to do with the takeover of the building.

Bundy said his son felt obligated to intervene on behalf of the Hammonds.

"That's not exactly what I thought should happen, but I didn't know what to do," he said. "You know, if the Hammonds wouldn't stand, if the sheriff didn't stand, then, you know, the people had to do something. And I guess this is what they did decide to do. I wasn't in on that."

His son Ammon told him they are committed to staying in the building, Cliven Bundy told Oregon Public Broadcasting.

"He told me that they were there for the long run. I guess they figured they're going to be there for whatever time it takes_and I don't know what that means," Cliven Bundy said. "I asked him, 'Well how long can ya, how long you going to stand out there?' He just told me it was for long term."

Beth Anne Steele, an FBI spokeswoman in Portland, told The Associated Press the agency was aware of the situation at the national wildlife refuge. She made no further comment.

Some local residents feared the Saturday rally would involve more than speeches, flags and marching. But the only real additions to that list seemed to be songs, flowers and pennies.

As marchers reached the courthouse, they tossed hundreds of pennies at the locked door. Their message: civilians were buying back their government. After the march passed, two girls swooped in to scavenge the pennies.

A few blocks away, Hammond and his wife, Susan, greeted marchers, who planted flower bouquets in the snow. They sang some songs, Hammond said a few words, and the protesters marched back to their cars.

Dwight Hammond has said he and his son plan to peacefully report to prison Jan. 4 as ordered by the judge.

Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year. But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each.

The decision has generated controversy in a remote part of the state.

In particular, the Hammonds' new sentences touched a nerve with far right groups who repudiate federal authority.

Ammon Bundy and a handful of militiamen from other states arrived last month in Burns, some 60 miles from the Hammond ranch.

In an email to supporters, Ammon Bundy criticized the U.S. government for a failed legal process.

How can they be terrorists if they aren't even Muslim?

Ah shit, you're right. Can we get a thread name change? Swap "terrorists" with "Patriots" please Ush.

Send in the FBI. I want another Waco.

Nothing of value would be lost.

Originally posted by Lucius
Send in the FBI. I want another Waco.

wow your seriously sick. waco was one of the most tragic events, government boot strapped CRIMINAL THUGS shooting families.

Of course he's sick. He's one of those who thinks it's perfectly ok to kill unborn babies. Sell their parts too. What, you expect people like that to have morals? Course he also backs the most criminal lying Presidential candidate of all-time who was directly responsible for getting four Americans killed in Benghazi because of her negligence. What does that tell you about his moral character, hmmm?

Way to stay on topic, guys...

Originally posted by Star428
Of course he's sick. He's one of those who thinks it's perfectly ok to kill unborn babies. Sell their parts too. What, you expect people like that to have morals? Course he also backs the most criminal lying Presidential candidate of all-time who was directly responsible for getting four Americans killed in Benghazi because of her negligence. What does that tell you about his moral character, hmmm?

I agree and with Benghazi the reason why Obama ****ed it up was because him and Bush go by the same nation building policy/foreign aid/foreign intervention. Overthrowing Ghadiffi was one of the worst foreign policy moves along with overthrowing Hussain in Iraq. Complete failures.

Idk how can you support abortion and say you care about people. Their is no life if we don't protect the life of the unborn. Also Planned Parenthood is a nazi racist eugenics death cult/satanic and pure evil. Ur right man he has a sick/disturbed mind idk clearly demonic. He is morally sick idk clearly he has mental problems.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Way to stay on topic, guys...

luciouis is the one saying he wants another waco to happen thats not funny thats purely disgusting/evil and serial killer like. waco was pure evil the federal government thugs killed innocent peaceful people led by that thug ratfaced bastard reno. clearly he needs some serious help.

Ok cut it out on the accusation of people being mentally ill because they support abortion. That's unreasonable posting and I'll ban if it's done again.

Say something on-topic or don't post.

This is... not exactly unexpected, it's pretty much the type of thing the FBI has warned about, isn't it?

Militia groups are a known problem, and taking over a not-in-use federal building is not as bad as it could be, but yea, this is a massive criminal act.

I find it interesting they tried to invite the locals, were blown off, and... did it anyway, showing no real respect for the locals.

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
I agree and with Benghazi the reason why Obama ****ed it up was because him and Bush go by the same nation building policy/foreign aid/foreign intervention. Overthrowing Ghadiffi was one of the worst foreign policy moves along with overthrowing Hussain in Iraq. Complete failures.

I agree with the general sentiment, but unlike Hussain, Ghadaffi was a revolution-in-progress already, without really a good outcome- he'd already ordered the destruction/cutting off water to a city that had hundreds of thousands. Neither acting nor not acting results in a stable state.

Idk how can you support abortion and say you care about people. Their is no life if we don't protect the life of the unborn.

Well, because the unborn don't have brains, the mothers are people, it's their own bodies they're deciding on, it directly affects their quality of life and sometimes whether or not they live.

Remember, those who are pro-choice aren't mandating it or anything, just for allowing people control over their own bodies.

Also organizations like planned parenthood, through education and birth control, do lower the number of abortions. One of the great ironies is the pro-choice movement is better at reducing abortions than the anti-abortion movement, so who's actually caring about life there?

Normally 'death cults' don't result in *lower* levels of the thing you're complaining about. How can you call yourself anti-abortion if you're against the group most successful in lowering the amount of it?

And, really, this 'othering' of people who have a different point of view than you, trying to paint them as .. well, literally demons... rather than trying to understand and engage their point of view is the kind of thing that leads to needless violent incidents.

The people who took over this facility no down have created all kinds of demonized phantoms in their heads about the government, yet if they didn't act first, the government would be entirely content to ignore them.

These guys would probably already have been killed if they weren't white.

Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
wow your seriously sick. waco was one of the most tragic events, government boot strapped CRIMINAL THUGS shooting families.

The government ****ed it up, but I wouldn't call a cult a "family".

David had how many pre pubed "wives"?

The entire situation is messed up, but here is what caught my eye: "The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year. But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each."

That's bullshit through and through. Once you serve your time a piece of shit judge shouldn't be able to decide 'meh, wasn't enough time' and toss you back in jail. This is the kind of stuff I am talking about when I say justice is dead in this country.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
These guys would probably already have been killed if they weren't white.

Why bring race into this? Then can I say something about things that would or wouldn't happen if they weren't white? Like if these guys weren't white they wouldn't of taken over a building..just drove by in a car and shot everyone up..thug style. *Playing "Thuggish Ruggish Bone" by Bone Thugs N Harmony*

Though silver lining: since they are white we know if they are killed the people won't burn down their own city in response. Racial speculation: it's fun for a girl and a boy.

Originally posted by Lucius
Send in the FBI. I want another Waco.

Nothing of value would be lost.

The fbi has made zero arrests in this incident.

These people are exercising s few of their constitution ammendmwnts and they have not harmed anyone.

OP was mistaken in calling this a terrorist event.

Paris, SB were terrorists with the aim of killing and hurting and spreading terror, these people are standing up for their rights.

The Record set straight here now.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
These guys would probably already have been killed if they weren't white.

What a stupid trolling statement.

Though I am confused about what exactly these people are standing up for and why they think occupying this building will change anything?

It said this was over the right to grazing or something. Or is this a response to a judge deciding to toss them back into jail? Since to me once your time is served that is it.

It also sets a dangerous precedent if a judge can decide "well the punishment wasn't enough we need more". They shouldn't be additionally punished because the last judge was too stupid to properly sentence them.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
These people are exercising s few of their constitution ammendmwnts and they have not harmed anyone.

It's called the second ammendment, and the people pay for that building.