Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I think the argument is "once you're released from prison, you shouldn't be allowed".

Which makes my stomach churl a little as I certainly wouldn't be okay with a ****ing convicted serial child rapist or something accidentally getting sentenced to 3 weeks in prison because the judge was high on PCP at the time of sentencing.

The argument is if you are given a sentence and serve that sentence then that should be that. The argument is that judges should know what the f*ck they are doing.

If it all comes down to they literally put a comma or number in the wrong place that would be one thing, but I'm trying to figure out how 5 years gets turned into 1. Or how 60 months gets turned into 12 months or 3 months. How does that go down, other then someone just not knowing what they are doing?

I also have to ask if anyone feels this is about more then merely the law? Since I still wonder why this took so long to be realized..to the point where one had to of been free for at least 9 months. Hell when did the arrest happen?

EDIT: Just wow wait a minute. The fires were lit in 2001 and 2006. So umm..that is nearly 10 friggin years. I thought the arrests were far more recent. Wtf is going on in Oregon?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
That is essentially what happened. A judge cannot unilaterally put a sentence below the minimum. That the judge did so means he was either unaware of the minimum sentence, thus a an accident and a "clerical error", or he did it intentionally and thus is subverting the justice system and should probably be fired/jailed.

Either way, there is absolutely zero law in the Land that states that "if you do the sentence given to you, you're automatically free to go". This isn't the government arbitrarily deciding that the dudes' punishments weren't light enough. The sentenced time that they were supposed to serve [b]was set in stone before the Judge even made the sentence. [/B]

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Originally posted by Surtur
My entire point has been about time served. If you're in prison and you think you got the wrong sentence yes you should fight it of course. But if you get sentenced, serve your time...and are out of prison for nearly a friggin year and then one day they go "oops we're dumb as all f*ck, you gotta go back" I think that is BS. Like I said..something similar happened in Chicago, the guy got the correct sentence and was released way too early and within 48 hours the cops were looking for him. So why the hell did it take so long for this to be realized? The mistake should of been realized the second the first person was released after 3 months, but nope...and people want to pretend this is all just about federal law?

Unless no botched investigation has ever once lead to a criminal going free.

Not sure why it took so long, seems like incompetence piled upon incompetence.

Another way to look at it (as Tzeen mentioned) what if these guys had beaten, raped and murdered, but they were released in error after only 18months. Would you be okay with that or would you want the justice system to correct the error and send these guys back to serve the sanctioned length of time for said crimes?

But as I have said there is a difference between being released in error and being given too light a sentence. We had a guy here in Chicago who was legitimately released in error, they knew within 48 hours and were searching for him. This on the other..the last fire happened in 2006.

So now it comes off less like this being about the law and more about someone having an agenda. In fact in the radio the way one guy was talking it was as if the fires were supposed to be a controlled fire and it got out of control and burned some stuff on land that wasn't theirs. Could be wrong people on this radio station have been wrong before. But if true then to me there should of been no jail time and just a fine.

If a rapist or killer gets only 18 months as a sentence and nobody says a damn thing for nearly a decade then everyone involved is pretty much a piece of shit.

Fine, replace "released early" with 'given 18month for rape and murder', when the mandatory for each crime is well above that. IMO, you'd want the penal system to correct the error made.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure why it took so long, seems like incompetence piled upon incompetence.

You must be talking about the child Obama

Originally posted by Robtard
Fine, replace "released early" with 'given 18month for rape and murder', when the mandatory for each crime is well above that. IMO, you'd want the penal system to correct the error made.

I get what you are saying, but all I can think about is the times you hear about criminals getting off because someone botched the investigation. If that is a thing that can legitimately happen then why would they hold an error against the system in those instances, but not hold such a mistake against the system in this instance?

That is, to me, what makes no sense. Why a botch there isn't okay, but a botch here is okay. I haven't even heard about whoever made the ruling facing any consequences.

Let's talk more about Oregon, no offense Surtur but that place is a pit of vipers sponsored by liberal policies.

Rob has no answer to why the strictest gun laws in America stop nothing there.

Btw when is Ram Rod being recalled?

There's a difference though, when criminals get off because the cops messed up, said criminals are technically not criminals for said crime(s) since the charges are dropped.

Here it's criminals being charged, found guilty and sentenced and the judge for whatever reason giving them less than the minimum sentence.

Originally posted by Robtard
There's a difference though, when criminals get off because the cops messed up, said criminals are technically not criminals for said crime(s) since the charges are dropped.

Here it's criminals being charged, found guilty and sentenced and the judge for whatever reason not giving them less than the minimum sentence.

So the cops messing up can get it dismissed, but the judge messing up can just go "oopsies!" nearly a decade later and toss people back in prison? There is something all kinds of f*cked up about that.

We can all talk shot about cops but go walk a mile in their shoes.

Disgraceful people here.

Yea it's the police!!! It's their fault!they just uphold the policies of liberals.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Let's talk more about Oregon, no offense Surtur but that place is a pit of vipers sponsored by liberal policies.

Rob has no answer to why the strictest gun laws in America stop nothing there.

Btw when is Ram Rod being recalled?

I don't know what is going to happen to Rod.

But I think this does have to do with Oregon. They waited nearly a decade to try to re-arrest them. It sounds like an agenda. Or maybe these ranchers ruffled too many feathers and someone thought "oh lookie here they didn't serve enough time".

They come off like bullies.

I was joking.

Rob just can't admit gun laws don't work.

He falls back on "well they can drive down the street."

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know what is going to happen to Rod.

But I think this does have to do with Oregon. They waited nearly a decade to try to re-arrest them. It sounds like an agenda. Or maybe these ranchers ruffled too many feathers and someone thought "oh lookie here they didn't serve enough time".

They come off like bullies.

This is nothing more the the Obama administration over stepping its bounds.

Originally posted by Surtur
So the cops messing up can get it dismissed, but the judge messing up can just go "oopsies!" nearly a decade later and toss people back in prison? There is something all kinds of f*cked up about that.

The difference you're overlooking is the criminal in the first scenario was never charged and therefore not really a criminal.

I don't know if there are limits in how long the penal system can look back and fix errors, but there probably are.

edit: Wasn't aware it was 10 years since, thought it was much less. This does seem agenda driven in that respect.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We can all talk shot about cops but go walk a mile in their shoes.

Disgraceful people here.

Yea it's the police!!! It's their fault!they just uphold the policies of liberals.

I'm not knocking a cop for making a mistake. Merely that if a cop makes a mistake(which can apparently include failing to read someone their rights at the proper time) the case can be dismissed, but a judge can f*ck up and nobody apparently notices for a decade and then when they do notice they decide their idiocy that has lasted for nearly a decade now suddenly must come to an end.

Also not defending what they did, but it's not as if they set fire to a hospital. They were people trying to save their livelihood by apparently getting rid of plants making animals ill.

Keep dodging the guns laws, Rob.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Rob has no answer to why the strictest gun laws in America stop nothing there.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Keep dodging the guns laws, Rob.

If you're talking about your earlier comment today concerning Chicago, I answered you. So stop your nonsense.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not knocking a cop for making a mistake. Merely that if a cop makes a mistake(which can apparently include failing to read someone their rights at the proper time) the case can be dismissed, but a judge can f*ck up and nobody apparently notices for a decade and then when they do notice they decide their idiocy that has lasted for nearly a decade now suddenly must come to an end.

Also not defending what they did, but it's not as if they set fire to a hospital. They were people trying to save their livelihood.

I understand what you are saying. I agree.

Originally posted by Robtard
The difference you're overlooking is the criminal in the first scenario was never charged and therefore not really a criminal.

I don't know if there are limits in how long the penal system can look back and fix errors, but there probably are.

edit: Wasn't aware it was 10 years since, thought it was much less. This does seem agenda driven in that respect.

That is the point though, why can a botched investigation lead to someone not even being charged? Since a botched investigation wouldn't necessarily mean there is no evidence. It could mean something as little as the cop didn't follow proper procedure for something. Why do we not say "this person shouldn't not be charged because someone messed up" ?