Originally posted by Estacado
Piccolo is great at getting killed.
He got killed by Nappa then Frieza then Cell almost killed him Buu ate him and now Frieza killed him again.👆
Piccolo didn't get killed by Frieza on Namek. Vegeta did. Vegeta also almost got killed by Cell as well and got killed by a much weaker Buu than the one that absorbed Piccolo. He also was almost killed again by Kid Buu. Vegeta has a pretty substantial losing record himself......
Originally posted by juggerman
Now if they were at even PL's then Piccolo would win
I'm not sure about that. Goku > Piccolo, even with even PL's.
Vegeta is a MUCH more skilled, ruthless, and on-gaurd fighter than Goku.
Sure, Piccolo has regeneration, but that's mostly just a fail-safe, to make sure he doesn't get one-shotted in most scenario's.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I'm not sure about that. Goku > Piccolo, even with even PL's.Vegeta is a MUCH more skilled, ruthless, and on-gaurd fighter than Goku.
Sure, Piccolo has regeneration, but that's mostly just a fail-safe, to make sure he doesn't get one-shotted in most scenario's.
Vegeta is not Goku. Also Goku's PL was greater than Piccolo's if only slightly
Vegeta is also not as.... "inventive" ...I guess is the word I'd use. Vegeta is a brute force kinda guy. Goku, while pretty retarded, is a much better strategist mid battle.
Piccolo has more than regen. He is a master tactician plus he has a much wider array of techniques at his disposal than Vegeta including magic.
Originally posted by juggerman
Vegeta is a brute force kinda guy.
Originally posted by juggerman
Vegeta is not Goku. Also Goku's PL was greater than Piccolo's if only slightlyVegeta is also not as.... "inventive" ...I guess is the word I'd use. Vegeta is a brute force kinda guy. Goku, while pretty retarded, is a much better strategist mid battle.
Piccolo has more than regen. He is a master tactician plus he has a much wider array of techniques at his disposal than Vegeta including magic.
No, Goku's power level was even suggested by Roshi to be slightly inferior to Piccolo's.
And you're completely off base here. Refer to what Stiltman posted. Vegeta is a MUCH better strategist, and fighter than Goku is. Goku is able to counter that with his natural instinct, which makes it an even fight if the two have even power levels. Vegeta is the top-dog in his series, when it comes to fighting skill. Other than perhaps Whiss, but we'll have to wait and see, and it's irrelevant.
Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
You forgot arrogant, reckless and vein.Vegeta likely has the PL advantage here, so he would win.
Okay, he wants a big challenge. When he realizes Piccolo can't give it to him, he will kill him. Even if they have equal PL's, Vegeta's way more skilled.
Piccolo is not Cell. He has no androids to absorb and boost his power. 👆
Originally posted by juggermanAnyone who isn't Goku has a losing record, or at least started looking terrible. Hell Vegeta pretty much stopped winning fights after Namek, besides Android 19, Imperfect Cell, Trunks, Pui Pui, Goku Trunks Goten with cheap shots. Good thing we're not counting movies where he'd show up to get dropped.
Piccolo didn't get killed by Frieza on Namek. Vegeta did. Vegeta also almost got killed by Cell as well and got killed by a much weaker Buu than the one that absorbed Piccolo. He also was almost killed again by Kid Buu. Vegeta has a pretty substantial losing record himself......
At least Super put him equal to Goku though. Hopefully it doesn't go back to the old ways.
Anyway on the earlier convo.
If we're counting King Piccolo, then he's died to Goku, Nappa, Kid Buu, and Frieza.
Vegeta died to Frieza, and killed himself against Buu.
Near deaths would include Frieza, Cell, and Buu for Piccolo. Vegeta would include Cell and Kid Buu. Did Beerus nearly kill Piccolo with chopsticks or am I forgetting things?
Although with Piccolo in the tourney, hopefully he gets some good shine too. And a massive powerup.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Didn't Vegeta fire a ki blast in anger that Gero absorbed after knowing full well about the absorption technique? Guy doesn't fire on all cylinders
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No, Goku's power level was even suggested by Roshi to be slightly inferior to Piccolo's.And you're completely off base here. Refer to what Stiltman posted. Vegeta is a MUCH better strategist, and fighter than Goku is. Goku is able to counter that with his natural instinct, which makes it an even fight if the two have even power levels. Vegeta is the top-dog in his series, when it comes to fighting skill. Other than perhaps Whiss, but we'll have to wait and see, and it's irrelevant.
Pretty sure Goku edged him but either way their powers were close.
He is called a good strategist but look at his actual actions in battle. He is easily manipulated by multiple opponents due to his pride and arrogance. Piccolo can easily exploit him after knowing him for about 5 minutes.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Anyway on the earlier convo.
If we're counting King Piccolo, then he's died to Goku, Nappa, Kid Buu, and Frieza.
Vegeta died to Frieza, and killed himself against Buu.
Near deaths would include Frieza, Cell, and Buu for Piccolo. Vegeta would include Cell and Kid Buu. Did Beerus nearly kill Piccolo with chopsticks or am I forgetting things?
For Vegeta you should add Z- Fighters, Zarbon, Recoome, 18, and Fat Buu to "near deaths"
Originally posted by juggerman
Didn't Vegeta fire a ki blast in anger that Gero absorbed after knowing full well about the absorption technique? Guy doesn't fire on all cylindersPretty sure Goku edged him but either way their powers were close.
He is called a good strategist but look at his actual actions in battle. He is easily manipulated by multiple opponents due to his pride and arrogance. Piccolo can easily exploit him after knowing him for about 5 minutes.
For Vegeta you should add Z- Fighters, Zarbon, Recoome, 18, and Fat Buu to "near deaths"
He did that to draw Gero out of hiding, because they can't sense cyborgs.
Okay, sure, they're roughly equals. That was my whole point, Goku > Piccolo, even with equal PL's.
Um... Okay, sure. If Piccolo had some weakness to exploit, he could, and would. But Vegeta's only weakness is his pride, which isn't a weakness, as long as he doesn't have any other weaknesses. :/ There is no way for Piccolo to raise his own power, or lower Vegeta's. They can only fight in this situation, because Vegeta doesn't have his tail, and Piccolo doesn't have any other forms like Frieza/Cell. And Vegeta > Goku, and Goku > Piccolo, ALL with even PL's. Meaning Vegeta > Goku > Piccolo, with even PL's.
Well to be fair, Vegeta wasn't almost killed by #18. She just broke his arm, that's all. Really nothing more than a mild inconvenience for him.