Sith vs. Elves
Darth Maul and Count Dooku
vs.
Legolas and Prince Nuada
Darth Maul has his twin sabers and Dooku has 2 lightsabers.
Legolas has 2 swords and Nuada has his spear.
Sith are not allowed to use force powers, pure sword fight only.
Lightsabers can't cut through elven weapons.
Fight is to the death.
Sith ftw, FL from Dooku and crazy bladework from both Lords with Lightsabers that can cut through anything the elves have as defence make this a easy fight to win for the Sith, plus lets not forget the tk and pre cog involved. The elves are good and thy may be able to dodge a couple saber strikes but in after that its end of the line for them.
PS Dooku doesnt need 2 sabres, he'd do just fine with one
As mentioned in the OP, no force powers, meaning no TK. Elven swords are also immune to being cut through with lightsabers. Precog is fine because I believe it should be equalized by the Elves' heightened reflexes.
Also forgot to mention, please take into consideration only the movies for Star Wars. Thank you.
Sith should take this.
Dooku has a lot of lightsaber experience as well as blaster bolt and other weapons as seen how he knew how to deflect the light whip.
Maul is also a trained combatant who came back from getting sliced in half. I'm not seeing the two go down and I'm not sure the elves can pull anything good enough that the Sith can't counter.
I'm going Sith.
Jeeze people. Please read the OP. The lightsabers in this match cannot cut through the elven weapons. The Sith can only amp their strength and speed in as much as what we see them do in the movies regularly. What I mean is, they basically look like what they normally look like in fights. No 20 foot jumps or anything. Also, only Star Wars movies count. Episodes I to VII.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Jeeze people. Please read the OP. The lightsabers in this match cannot cut through the elven weapons. The Sith can only amp their strength and speed in as much as what we see them do in the movies regularly. What I mean is, they basically look like what they normally look like in fights. No 20 foot jumps or anything. Also, only Star Wars movies count. Episodes I to VII.
so you gimped them... shame.. shame...
Well, I take it the point of this thread was to see which team was superior in terms of pure bladework/swordsmanship, hence the stips. Otherwise it would be a monumental mismatch.
I'd rate Nuada a bigger threat than Legolas though, considering how he schooled Hellboy. Hellboy only managed to win that last fight because he had insane durability, which allowed him to keep going despite the massive whooping Nuada was putting on him. Neither of the Sith are anywhere near as durable as he is.
Edit: Actually, Hellboy did perform better than I remembered in the last fight (I was remembering their first encounter where Nuada DID beat his ass badly), but his durability did come into play. And based on that fight, Nuada is at least as fast and agile as any of the Sith are shown to be:
They are vastly stronger than Elves when using force powers. It's like Luke partially lifting the x-wing, or Yoda doing it later, is that considered strength? Granted, they didn't physically grab the object and lift it, but they still lifted it non the less. If somebody asked me to lift a car, and I did so via a gesture, does that mean I'm not that strong? No, I actually am, I lift it. Besides if they can TK it, why couldn't they be touching it, and still do the same thing? They are technically touching it and lifting it.
Even if we exclude their TK feats, I'd still submit Anakin falling from great heights and catching a speeder and holding on. At those speeds and the speed of the vehicle, I'd say the Elves would likely have gotten their arms ripped off, let along strong enough to hold on. Granted, I think Elves are stronger than most here, but I don't think they are as strong here.
I think they are JUST as skilled as the sith, if not more so actually. The moves I saw them do with a blade is every bit as good if not good. The difference to me here is speed. The sith can amp their speed to beyond Elf level imo, and that is the difference.
I don't recall any Jedi or Sith ever amping their speed. They have precog which allows them to see things happen a second or two before they do... but all that gives them is very fast reflexes which the elves should be able to match. Jango Fett was able to keep up with Obiwan after all.
What I'm saying is, I don't recall any Jedi or Sith ever adjusting their precog, enhancing it or whatever, or specifically enhancing their speed.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't recall any Jedi or Sith ever amping their speed. They have precog which allows them to see things happen a second or two before they do... but all that gives them is very fast reflexes which the elves should be able to match. Jango Fett was able to keep up with Obiwan after all.What I'm saying is, I don't recall any Jedi or Sith ever adjusting their precog, enhancing it or whatever, or specifically enhancing their speed.
They enhance all those things. We see Kenobi run back after maul when he had been temporarily kicked away. He was running well above peak human. Same with his jump getting him back on the right platform.... That was probably a 20 ft. jump directly upwards.
We see an old man Dooku do a double or triple flip in ROTS right before confronting Kenobi and Anakin. Palps killed three acclaimed Jedi Masters using a speed blitz. Mace had to emerge himself in Vaapad just to compensate for Sids speed enhancement thanks to the force. Them deflecting blaster fire from multiple opponents takes incredible speed. Faster than any elf was shown blocking. I'd say they are faster
I don't know. Nuada was able to cut through a water drop. There's a difference between having enhanced reflexes and actually being able to amp speed. The examples you gave seem more like simply enhanced reflexes and great skill as compared to being able to actively amp speed. I know they can amp their jumps, but that's disabled here in OP as well as considering only feats from movies.
Well see, that's the thing, the books (also edited by Lucas) go over expanded details of what we are watching in the movies. So to me, the book just expands on Lucas vision of the movie. Some examples of this:
1. The Kenobi run I was referring to, is specifically referenced in the book as him traveling extremely fast. Same with his run up the ramp after Dooku where he kills the 2 magnaguards.
2. Sids speed blitzing of the acclaimed Jedi masters is attributed to his speed enhancement. Mace is specifically noted to use Vaapad to match the emperor's said amp
3. Also when Mace and Sids are fighting, Anakin witnesses the fight through the window. Yet, they are moving so fast (through the force) that they appear as nothing but a dark mist to him. This is somebody with enhanced reflexes and vision himself... he couldn't even perceive them they were moving so fast.
4. The blaster fire takes speed to be able to react AFTER shots are fired. Blasters are certainly faster than Arrows or the like in LOTR. The Jedi were able to react to multiple blaster fire from multiple directions. Just witness mace blocking Jango in the area. He blocks point blank blaster fire... then leaps down.. probably 5 stories and blocks more fire WHILE falling. That would take incredible speed to execute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmR1ee223zQ
Starts about 6:24
I don't think we should bring the books into this, because if we do that then we'll have to bring in LOTR books into this, then it becomes a lot more complicated than I intended.
How bout you simply base your argument on pure movie feats of all characters. The speed and strength they have will be dependent on how they look on screen and based on feats.