Merkel under fire. Cologne Major blames women.
Cologne mayor's 'arm's length' advice to avoid sex attacks draws ridicule.
She blames women for the sexual assault.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/europe/germany-cologne-assaults-arms-length/index.html
Merkel says the attacks were disgusting however she too is under fire now.
http://news.yahoo.com/merkel-under-fire-migrants-sex-assaults-111748617.html
The mayor's comments are disgusting, very much blaming the victim, and at the scale of these attacks it should really be obvious how stupid such suggestions really are.
Obviously the problem is the perpetrators. The police response was also very weak, and it will hopefully be used to improve that in the future.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The mayor's comments are disgusting, very much blaming the victim, and at the scale of these attacks it should really be obvious how stupid such suggestions really are.Obviously the problem is the perpetrators. The police response was also very weak, and it will hopefully be used to improve that in the future.
Wow two threads we agree in, right on👆
If there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.
Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.
This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.
Originally posted by Lucius👆
Norway Educates RefugeesIf there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.
Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.
This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.
Originally posted by Lucius
Norway Educates RefugeesIf there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.
Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.
This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.
Originally posted by Lucius
Norway Educates RefugeesIf there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.
Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.
This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.
Well said, well said. I think it's only a matter of time when this cognitive dissonance among the left will come crashing down.
Originally posted by Lucius
Norway Educates RefugeesIf there is one place where I part ways with my fellow liberals, it's on stuff like this.
Europe, stop letting these backwards tribals into your lands. Consider how even after going to these "education" courses, that Eritrean man still finds it absurd that a married woman can say no to her husband. It's not worth the money and effort to try and educate these savages on how to behave in a civilized manner. Not worth the money, and not worth the threat your citizens (especially women) will face.
This is what happens when people become so tolerant, they are afraid to judge.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well said, well said. I think it's only a matter of time when this cognitive dissonance among the left will come crashing down.
What happened to these women is awful and we need to do more to protect women from sexual violence, and perpetrators of it should be caught and punished to the full extend of the law, however this is just far to broad to make any sense, for one, the women most targeted by the increases in sexual assault are migrant women. Surely we shouldn't ban these women who try to escape oppression in their home countries, and we should make sure that they don't come into a just as dangerous situation here as they were there.
We should also not use sexual assaults perpetrated by migrants to sweep the problem of sexual assault and rape perpetrated by citizens under the rug. If in the public conscious rape is equal to "some foreigner raping our women", that does a disservice to the many, many women who are attacked by friends or family or homegrown criminals.
We grant asylum to people for a reason, it is a tenant of our culture to help those who are persecuted in their country, those who have to fear for their life, and we shouldn't knee-jerk into othering everyone that's not a citizen of our country, because there are some bad people among refugees.
The true issue we have right now is that there have been huge masses of people coming in, and very many allegedly civilised countries, like the UK and the US have refused to do their part in helping with this humanitarian crisis. This has made it hard for countries who do help to optimally deal with the situation. If the EU would get together and make a program for taking and housing refugees we would have enough space and enough workers to ensure that these refugee camps are safe places, we would be able to always, not just in some cases, separate women and families from single men, and we could ultimately decrease the negative aspects that come with a mass influx significantly.
Additionally, and perhaps as an aside, there's another potential issue, if we do not accept any men, they have nowhere else to go, which ultimately may mean that ISIS can vastly improve it's recruiting, and become much more of a threat than they already are.
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I do agree though that the left is behaving awful in this, from staying silent to blaming the victims. We should not, out of fear of racism, not talk about these crimes.
Racists are going to racist either way, in fact, they often use the silence of left media, and left politicians, to further their cause.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What happened to these women is awful and we need to do more to protect women from sexual violence
That is a broad statement without even diving into your further discussion points. It reads like a statement from a would be politician with an apology on the end. What does that mean anyway, provide police escort for women? It is so vague and broad I'd love to hear reasonable changes for this.
We should also not use sexual assaults perpetrated by migrants to sweep the problem of sexual assault and rape perpetrated by citizens under the rug. If in the public conscious rape is equal to "some foreigner raping our women", that does a disservice to the many, many women who are attacked by friends or family or homegrown criminals.
You are correct in this statment. However if you see a relatively small increase in population growth from immigrants and a large change in crime values there is concern.
We grant asylum to people for a reason, it is a tenant of our culture to help those who are persecuted in their country, those who have to fear for their life, and we shouldn't knee-jerk into othering everyone that's not a citizen of our country, because there are some bad people among refugees.
Not everyone that has entered Europe has been refugees. It is intellectually dishonest to even believe that at this point after many news reports.
The true issue we have right now is that there have been huge masses of people coming in, and very many allegedly civilised countries, like the UK and the US have refused to do their part in helping with this humanitarian crisis. This has made it hard for countries who do help to optimally deal with the situation. If the EU would get together and make a program for taking and housing refugees we would have enough space and enough workers to ensure that these refugee camps are safe places, we would be able to always, not just in some cases, separate women and families from single men, and we could ultimately decrease the negative aspects that come with a mass influx significantly.
We fundamentally disagree on this I believe. You believe its our job to make these people feel safe, I believe its the job of our govts to make sure we are safe from them first. Then we can go about creating safe places for them to reside.
Additionally, and perhaps as an aside, there's another potential issue, if we do not accept any men, they have nowhere else to go, which ultimately may mean that ISIS can vastly improve it's recruiting, and become much more of a threat than they already are.
As an aside why are they all fleeing the middle east? Why is it no neighboring countries are assisting and forcing them to flee to Europe/NA?
Racists are going to racist either way, in fact, they often use the silence of left media, and left politicians, to further their cause.
If religion is the focus of persecution is race really an issue? I realize that might be how folks identify them from their region but what I have read about is not race but religion far more, I could be mistaken though.
Originally posted by snowdragon
That is a broad statement without even diving into your further discussion points. It reads like a statement from a would be politician with an apology on the end. What does that mean anyway, provide police escort for women? It is so vague and broad I'd love to hear reasonable changes for this.You are correct in this statment. However if you see a relatively small increase in population growth from immigrants and a large change in crime values there is concern.
Not everyone that has entered Europe has been refugees. It is intellectually dishonest to even believe that at this point after many news reports.
We fundamentally disagree on this I believe. You believe its our job to make these people feel safe, I believe its the job of our govts to make sure we are safe from them first. Then we can go about creating safe places for them to reside.
As an aside why are they all fleeing the middle east? Why is it no neighboring countries are assisting and forcing them to flee to Europe/NA?
If religion is the focus of persecution is race really an issue? I realize that might be how folks identify them from their region but what I have read about is not race but religion far more, I could be mistaken though.
The main ways to help with that is increased and more prepared policing, education of the cultural expectations, integration into work life, and until such integration is done a separation of single men from other refugees.
We have a process to determine whether someone is eligible for asylum status and that needs to be applied, I never said that all the people coming to Europe (or Western Europe) should be granted asylum, but we shouldn't ban those in need of protection, as was suggested in the post I replied to.
I believe that it is our job to do both, make the population in general feel safe and protect refugees from war zones at the same time. I do not think that we should do only one at the complete expense of the other.
I believe the neighbouring countries do take many refugees, at least some of them, however perhaps they could do more, at any rate we have to deal with the issue at hand, which is millions of asylum seekers coming into Europe and now being here...
I believe that Islamophobia falls under the category of some form of racism, i.e. the Religion aspect is to a large degree a cover of "I don't like Arab people..."
Markel ramping up deportations and tougher immigration after attacks.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialToo little too late IMHO.
Markel ramping up deportations and tougher immigration after attacks.