Originally posted by Bardock42
See, the thing is, even if you accept the Nazi definition of their socialism as a form socialism, that still doesn't make it left...
I'd call that the Far Left precisely because of the way Hitler twisted socialism. 👆
What is definitely clear is that Hitler was no right winger as socialism is on the left side of spectrum of political theories.
TBH Does not matter as either Far Left or Far Right dictators are scumbags.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Reality.I understand you would like a specific refutation of the vague, unfounded statements you post, but a) with you just claiming something it doesn't warrant that and also b) you've shown your disdain for thought out rational arguments, so why bother.
Provide a rational argue net then.
Women with guns could save your country and save themselves from being raped by Syrians.
Originally posted by Stigma
You could argue back and forth about this.I'd call that the Far Left precisely because of the way Hitler twisted socialism. 👆
What is definitely clear is that Hitler was no right winger as socialism is on the left side of spectrum of political theories.
TBH Does not matter as either Far Left or Far Right dictators are scumbags.
But National Socialism is not. It's right wing because of it's nationalist and conservative ideas. The same way that libertarianism can be left or right wing depending on the practitioners, so would socialism (again, if you accept the Fascism of the Nazi party as a form of socialism at all).
This may be interesting to you, btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
Originally posted by Stigma
I see. Then he should educate himself. 👆"We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." -- Adolf Hitler, May 1st 1927.
Hitler was a socialist 👆
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Originally posted by Stigma
Socialsim can have a nationalistic twist....deos nto amke it a right wing policy, just a Far Left abomination.TBH I have a quote of Hitler saying himslef that his ideology has more things in common with Bolshevism than not. Bolshevicks were Leftist, as you know.
Because I can't be bothered:
National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæ-/[1]), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state as well as other far-right groups. Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and anti-Semitism, Nazism developed out of the influences of Pan-Germanism, the Völkisch German nationalist movement, and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after German defeat in World War I.
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The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. The Nazis sought to achieve this by a "people's community" (Volksgemeinschaft) with the aim of uniting all Germans as national comrades, whilst excluding those deemed either to be community aliens or "foreign peoples" (Fremdvölkische). It rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed ideas of class equality and international solidarity, and sought to defend private property and privately owned businesses.
Um... you forgot to highlight:
The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.
So it highjacked ideas of socialism to put it in opposition to marxism and capitalism. Note it says "internationalist Marxism", as Hitler wanted socialism with a nationalistic turn.
Originally posted by Stigma
Um... you forgot to highlight:The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.
So it highjacked ideas of socialism to put it in opposition to marxism and capitalism. No biggie..
Originally posted by Stigma
Um... you forgot to highlight:quote: (post)
Originally posted by Stigma
Socialsim can have a nationalistic twist....deos nto amke it a right wing policy, just a Far Left abomination.TBH I have a quote of Hitler saying himslef that his ideology has more things in common with Bolshevism than not. Bolshevicks were Leftist, as you know.
Because I can't be bothered:
National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnÉ‘ËtsɪzÉ™m, ˈnæ-/[1]), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state as well as other far-right groups. Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and anti-Semitism, Nazism developed out of the influences of Pan-Germanism, the Völkisch German nationalist movement, and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after German defeat in World War I.
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The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism.
And a Nationalist socialisme, that was free of classes but instead focus on uniting the Germans as one people, is, I know this will be a surprise, not socialisme which have the classes as the whole foundation.
have fun reading about the Revolution from the right by Roger Griffin 🙂 Should heighten the education level though I doubt it.
http://site.ebrary.com/lib/alltitles/docDetail.action?docID=10053889