Are you for or against the death penalty in the U.S.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I love seeing DDM own people👆

I'm also for death penalty, btw.

DDM has a way of destroying liberal arguments better then anyone in a humorous fashion.

If I was dadudemon I'd be worried about the kinds of people that cheerlead my posts.

If I was you, I would be embarrassed for getting owned like that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
If I was dadudemon I'd be worried about the kinds of people that cheerlead my posts.

He didn't even have a comeback he was owned so bad.

And yet, here I am, not feeling owned...

With no comeback or retort.

There's nothing to say that hasn't been said already, it would just go around in circles.

You don't present a logical argument.

If I sad let's lock our doors at night, you would say "why, the criminals can just break them down."😂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You don't present a local argument.

If I sad let's lock our doors at night, you would say "why, the criminals can just break them down."😂

"logical"

And that's silly and has nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

It's an example of your logic fallacy.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It's an example of your logic fallacy.

Again, you mean "logical", but you're getting closer.

And no, this isn't in any way similar to any argument I made. I assume you are trying to connect it to Trump's Wall issue, but even then a more correct comparison would be me saying (among other arguments) "don't waste money on a $10000 that criminals can break in just as fast as your current door".

I guess you never heard of a panic room.

And I meant logic, quit correcting something that doesn't need a correction.

Your post is not malformed English, however it is very apparent that what you meant to say is the common term "logical fallacy".

But, so you feel better, I will answer dadudemon:

Originally posted by dadudemon

"Punishment" can also be a perspective. There are some instances of people committing crimes specifically so they can be put into prison. A bed, bathroom, food, occasional recreation, access to a library, access to the internet, the occasional TV program, and board games with others? That doesn't sound like a punishment at all for some people. That sounds like a miracle to help them out of their bad situation.

Still, others consider being cut off from the world to be a horrendous punishment.

But that's not really what we are talking about, right? Just simply creating laws and practices that specifically aim to punish a person for breaking laws is what I have a problem with. The system should aim to rehabilitate and reintegrated dangerous people back into society. The goal should never be punishment. Some may consider the "isolate from society" part to be a punishment. But it should not be intended or used in such a way (which is one of the criticisms of the US justice system: we use long prison sentences as form of punishment and our prison sentences are absurdly longer than our peers (such as the UK or France)).

Like I said, I agree with you if we take the definition of punishment you used. When I used the word I just meant the legal consequences that a criminal faces.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Norway is sitting around 20%, iirc. We can do better.

So we agree.

Originally posted by dadudemon
"I'm not relegating Jews to subhuman. They were born into their state as being below the human race. They were never humans to begin with."

Yes, you can insert anything into this sentence, some things will be true, others will not be true.

For example:"I'm not relegating trees to subhuman. They were born into their state as being below the human race. They were never humans to begin with."

I think we both agree the example is correct. We disagree on it when it comes to human foetuses of a certain age.

Originally posted by dadudemon
"Forfeiture of the right to life via the malicious homicide of others is mutually exclusive to being a human being."

Here's another perspective: destroying a wasted human, because they maliciously kill and show clear signs that they will reoffend, is treating them like a human being. They did not lose any rights. Their status did not change. They never became subhuman.

See here, I'm treating this murderers like humans by saying they should be destroyed if they are beyond hope of reintegrating back into society. It is the humane and kind thing to do. It also prevents harm from coming to others. I'm trying my best to preserve all of the other humans' rights to person and life, as well. Look how amazing my benevolence is?

Here's another perspective: incarcerating an unrepentant murderer for life is treating the human as less than human. Their status has been changed to subhuman and they are now treated like cattle: forever chained up in an enclosure. This person previously had many many rights. We revoked them with our life imprisonment policy. Do you see what I'm doing here? There are more perspectives on what is humane, what is right, and what should be done. And these perspectives are not maliciously or unreasonable, as well. I think a normal, kind, person, could see the arguments I'm making and at least partially agree with them, even if they were strongly opposed to the death penalty.

In that case we disagree on what the humane thing to do is then. However, like I stated, I do believe in the right of people to assisted suicide, so if the human criminal agrees with your idea of what is humane he would have the option if it were up to me.

At any rate, you were the one claiming that you are relegating the criminal to subhuman status, not I.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Just to be clear, your argument, here, is factually incorrect. Therefore, it is malformed.

We are not imposing pregnancy on anyone. The man and the woman who chose to have sex imposed that pregnancy on the woman. I didn't have sex with her. Did you? I don't think you did. So we aren't imposing pregnancy on anyone. It is literally impossible.

We are imposing the continuation of a pregnancy if we make abortion illegal.

A life for a life.

A person that kills another deserves the same.

There is no counter argument.

There are multiple counter arguments, many made in this thread.

Not really. If you kill someone you deserve the same thing.

Who does it help by sitting in jail forever taking up space, money, and resources?

All of society.

How does it help society? Jail for some scumbags is vacation.