Durability vs Durability

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman was able to go through multiple black holes while weakened. One black hole was much larger than Earth itself.

Surfer has a poor record against black holes.

What is his poor record against them?

Originally posted by deathslash
you're playing a dangerous game my friend. If you keep this up, I'm going to have to save your quotes for the next time that someone says panther didn't really beat him.

Don't think Dark read the Comic tbh. Surfer allowed Panther to do that to get info from him and it's not like Surfer got damaged (points to the Batman punching blood from the lip).

And the proof is right here in the scan.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1797720-scan0017.jpg

I'm tired of posting this.

Originally posted by Surtur
What is his poor record against them?

E.g., he went through a black hole filled with anti-matter unscathed; used a black hole to travel to another side of the universe; while weakened he fought Red Shift at the heart of a singularity and was unscathed; and went through a solar-system sized black hole twice, and was unscathed; he accidentally smashed into a singularity he didn't notice while space traveling and was only knocked out, etc.

But doesn't Storm f*ck him up in the same comic?(The black panther one)

Nah she tried stalling him by trapping him in a ball of lightning. He flew out of it a page later saying something about how it's folly to "impede one who's flown through the heart of suns."

Originally posted by Surtur
What is his poor record against them?

Originally posted by One-Punch
His record against black holes is actually pretty good.

E.g., he went through a black hole filled with anti-matter unscathed; used a black hole to travel to another side of the universe; while weakened he fought Red Shift at the heart of a singularity and was unscathed; and went through a solar-system sized black hole twice, and was unscathed; he accidentally smashed into a singularity he didn't notice while space traveling and was only knocked out, etc.

And still with the Epic stuff? What's next? Punisher Max is canon?

Marvel vs Capcom is canon because it was mentioned in a bio?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Got nearly killed by one, got koed by colliding with another and was shielded by his powers in another scene where he fought Red Shift.

Solar system size black hole? When?

And still with the Epic stuff? What's next? Punisher Max is canon?

Marvel vs Capcom is canon because it was mentioned in a bio?

Only the Surfer comic in Epic is canon, because it was referenced in the official FF4 handbook as Surfer's first chronological appearance.

Originally posted by One-Punch
It was during the Elders saga when they collected the infinity gems. Nova caused the the Supernova which created a black hole that swallowed/destroyed the solar system the Elders had setup. A dozen comics later, Surfer travels into that very same black hole twice.

Only the Surfer comic in Epic is canon, because it was referenced in the official FF4 handbook as Surfer's first chronological appearance.

And it is contradicted everywhere else as FF 48 is the first chronological comic for both surfer and Galactus.

You would have more luck arguing Marvel vs Capcom is canon than that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean the same one which nearly crushed him and Nova, koed him another time and he needed Lord Order and Master Chaos to Traverse it again? That one? That black hole didn't destroy the solar system.

And it is contradicted everywhere else as FF 48 is the first chronological comic for both surfer and Galactus.

You would have more luck arguing Marvel vs Capcom is canon than that.

Here Surfer travels through the massive black hole unscathed:
http://s13.postimg.org/673h1vm7b/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_09.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/gjprnyfqf/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_10.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/mjdirm0iv/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_11.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/jru910207/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_12.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg

It did destroy a solar system. Those yellow spheres being sucked in are planets and the Elders said "everything" was breaking apart.
http://s16.postimg.org/5q6j8ltkl/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_19.jpg

My evidence for the Epic SS story being canon is that it was referenced in the official FF4 handbook.
http://s13.postimg.org/5phywvsbr/SS_canon1.jpg

What's your evidence that it's non-canon? Let's compare.

Originally posted by One-Punch
It never "nearly crushed" them.

My evidence for the Epic SS story being canon is that it was referenced in the official FF4 handbook.
http://s13.postimg.org/5phywvsbr/SS_canon1.jpg

What's your evidence that it's non-canon? Let's compare.

That it's from a different Imprint? Just because it gets mentioned in a meaningless handbook once doesn't makes it canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Nova was a Herald for years at that point.

When he gets koed again, he thought better and asked Lord Order and Master Chaos help to enter it.

He is flat out koed as soon as he enters the black hole and thrown into another universe.

That's not helping your argument.

Haha, what? The planets were not in any danger of getting sucked in.

And those glowing objects are the gems which are shown in the previous panel as well.

In fact the black hole was just there, as were the planets after the comic.

That it's from a different Imprint? Just because it gets mentioned in a meaningless handbook once doesn't makes it canon.

Silver Surfer is more durable.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Yeah, compared to Surfer who has been Galactus' herald for centuries... a few years still makes her a noob herald.

Funny thing, Surfer never said "Hold on, I've gone through a black hole before. In that Imprint? Epic one."

But it's funny to see your logic, "Well she is a noob, what does she knows"?

Nice try.

Surfer looks perfectly conscious here after passing through the black hole.
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg

Yeah, where he wakes up in another universe and asks where they are.

You know, as people do after getting knocked out and waking up in a different place?

Lol, you're not serious are you? Those yellow spheres were planets and in the next page Galactus drains two of them to regain his strength. The rest as you can see on-panel fell into the black hole.
http://s7.postimg.org/fi609ly2z/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg
http://s7.postimg.org/mk3xvt1or/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_21.jpg

Okay, so far I have an official reference from the FF4 hanbook stating it's canon, and you have... nothing?

Superman and Martian Manhunter appeared in Vertigo titles.

As did Constantine. As did Swamp Thing. As did Zatanna.

And yet, Vertigo isn't canon to DC. It's a different imprint.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Silver Surfer is more durable.

Surprised to see Abhi lying about stuff in here, he never usually does that.......

😂

Surprised to see Titan trying to start something, he never does that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Funny thing, Surfer never said "Hold on, I've gone through a black hole before. In that Imprint? Epic one."

But it's funny to see your logic, "Well she is a noob, what does she knows"?

Nice try.

But yeah, Surfer was a herald for centuries and Nova a herald for a few years. She is definitely naive.

Yeah, where he wakes up in another universe and asks where they are.

You know, as people do after getting knocked out and waking up in a different place?

Hahaha, what? Those are the gems. The elder even says that "The gems are lost" as they fall into the black hole.

You know, the gems which were interconnected?

Those were planets surrounding a sun in a solar system the Elders setup. The gems were interconnected on the Elder's tiny platform above the solar system.
http://s23.postimg.org/w7cv559cr/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_14.jpg

Galactus and Inbetweeneer fight on several planets in the vicinity of the universe same black hole just a few issues later.
Except it being from a non canon imprint.

Superman and Martian Manhunter appeared in Vertigo titles.

As did Constantine. As did Swamp Thing. As did Zatanna.

And yet, Vertigo isn't canon to DC. It's a different imprint.

The SS story is canon because it's stated to be canon in the official FF4 hand book. I'm still waiting for your evidence that it's non-canon.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer has gone through multiple writers throughout his 50 year career. You can't expect writers to remember every detail of his history.

Funny thing, no writer ever remembered it.

But yeah, Surfer was a herald for centuries and Nova a herald for a few years. She is definitely naive.

That in itself doesn't negates her statement.

And surfer confirming it.

So every time Surfer is momentarily pulled or knocked off his board it's a KO, Even though a panel later he's perfectly fine? I don't think so.

When he asks after looking limp and koed as to where he is? Yes, he is KOED. He didn't travel anywhere, he was thrown into another universe.

No, the gems were not giant yellow spheres that dwarfed Galactus.

Artistic license.

Learn about it.

Those were planets surrounding a sun in a solar system the Elders setup. The gems were interconnected on the Elder's tiny platform above the solar system.
http://s23.postimg.org/w7cv559cr/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_14.jpg

Those were background planets, and weren't the original six planets the Elders used in their plot against Galactus:
http://s23.postimg.org/w7cv559cr/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_14.jpg

The planets were destroyed in the supernova.

The elder flat out says that those are the gems which are falling in the black hole.

Epic is a collection of independent stories.

Just like Vertigo.

The SS story is canon because it's stated to be canon in the official FF4 hand book. I'm still waiting for your evidence that it's non-canon.

So, is Vertigo canon to DC?

Because you're taking a bio as a proof of canonical status, what about Marvel vs Capcom being mentioned in Shuma Gorath's official bio?

Or Thor being 95 tones only in bio?

Because bios are always so reliable? Right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Funny thing, no writer ever remembered it.

That in itself doesn't negates her statement.

And surfer confirming it.

When he asks after looking limp and koed as to where he is? Yes, he is KOED. He didn't travel anywhere, he was thrown into another universe.

Artistic license.

Learn about it.

The gems were even shown on-panel at the top of the page still on the Elder's platform, while at the same time the planets (giant yellow spheres) fell into the black hole at bottom of the page
http://postimg.org/image/hz3qvs65f/

The planets were destroyed in the supernova.

The elder flat out says that those are the gems which are falling in the black hole.

The planets were shown intact during the supernova and shown falling into the black hole afterwards.
http://postimg.org/image/68pteedcz/
http://postimg.org/image/xs8pc8t2b/
http://postimg.org/image/hz3qvs65f/

Galactus even feeds on two of the planets--which clearly dwarf him in size--to regain his strength before they fell into the black hole.
http://postimg.org/image/uny1fgc9v/
http://postimg.org/image/5gn5f795v/

^ So you're saying Galactus fed on the infinity gems? Which dwarfed him in size? Which has trees growing on them in the close-up? Lol

Just like Vertigo.

So, is Vertigo canon to DC?

Because you're taking a bio as a proof of canonical status, what about Marvel vs Capcom being mentioned in Shuma Gorath's official bio?

Or Thor being 95 tones only in bio?

Because bios are always so reliable? Right?

So far I have an official handbook stating specifically that the Surfer story in Epic is canon, and you have nothing other than your own opinion.