WBHulk vs. Barry Allen.

Originally posted by carver9
So Flash have on panel proof of knocking someone like Superman out? Think about it for a second because I know you're going to struggle answering this when I bring up the S.

So you believe Flashes punches are light?
Let's throw the IMP away and assume that he gains no mass.
Let's just assume that the only kinetic energy experienced from the punch is from the normal mass of flash's fist/forearm and the speed of the punch.

So if Flash hits someone at 299,792,457m/s (less than the speed of light) while his fist and forearm has a normal 2kg mass. The kinetic energy is more than 21 million tons of TNT. This is more than several times many nuclear weapons.

So if a character failed to be KOed or killed from such a punch then it's a durability feat for them. That means 21 mega tons of TNT is cotton candy for them. It's on you to prove that's it's cotton candy for Hulk, Thor, etc.

Adding in the IMP calculations (more mass) then Flash is hitting with over 260 million tons of TNT per punch.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
If you say so buddy...

What does that scan prove, exactly?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Can Vision make things explode when He phases through them?

Does Flash's phasing have a limit like Vision's apparently has in that scan?

Is 'Hulk's form' harder to phase through than Amazo, Antimonitor's armor or anti-matter?

nu barry can vibrate and explode things? even if he could he wouldn't as it's ooc.

you raise a fair point though. the more i think about it, the more i think the powers may in fact be different. flash can adjust is frequency to match the things he is attempting to phase through. makes no real sense to me, but that IS different from what vision can do, or at least signifies a greater degree of control, so i'll concede the point. could he do it to this hulk? i still doubt he could even get close enough. again, even if he could, phasing hulk's brain would be ooc. doing it to an evil android is much different in terms of morality....

in a comic i've no doubt hulk would win easily. forum flash is something different altogether and nearly impossible to argue if people take him through to illogical ends.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Phasing may not be an insta win.

Originally posted by carver9
So Flash have on panel proof of knocking someone like Superman out? Think about it for a second because I know you're going to struggle answering this when I bring up the S.

Did you missed the scan of the Anti-monitor?

Unless you think WBH >>>> Anti-Monitor.

Do you?

Originally posted by leonidas
nu barry can vibrate and explode things? even if he could he wouldn't as it's ooc.

'Nu' Barry:

http://i.imgur.com/VpbsvyF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sBQKPcV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PXjWi6n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YL21GxP.jpg

But Flash is Flash. He's the same during Flashpoint, and was the same pre Flashpoint.

So yeah, AM showing is valid.

Originally posted by leonidas
nu barry can vibrate and explode things? even if he could he wouldn't as it's ooc.

you raise a fair point though. the more i think about it, the more i think the powers may in fact be different. flash can adjust is frequency to match the things he is attempting to phase through. makes no real sense to me, but that IS different from what vision can do, or at least signifies a greater degree of control, so i'll concede the point. could he do it to this hulk? i still doubt he could even get close enough. again, even if he could, phasing hulk's brain would be ooc. doing it to an evil android is much different in terms of morality....

in a comic i've no doubt hulk would win easily. forum flash is something different altogether and nearly impossible to argue if people take him through to illogical ends.

DS got the vibrating part down and he's right, Barry has been the same throughout all his comic history.

I don't see why Barry couldn't not get close to Hulk, since his aura, albeit very powerful, is still just gamma radiation. I'm pretty confident if Barry was able to vibrate through anti-matter, which is the most destructive force in DC along with entropy, he will be able to do the same with Hulk's gamma juice.

The ooc part is pretty relative tbh, do you think Flash will rather die than kill/incapacitate Hulk.

I hate posting from my phone, jeez.

With regards to the 'OOC' - Grimesy has it down. If Barry can do this, and weigh every possible outcome out:

http://imgur.com/a/C1fhN#0

Would it really be in his character to die, rather than take the Hulk out?

Moreover, if we're going OOC tactics, the Hulk is DEF not going to kill. He only did so in the Dark Dimension because he knew everyone would come back if they died. Prior to that, he's constantly running the Hulk Maths to ensure no one dies.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With regards to the 'OOC' - Grimesy has it down. If Barry can do this, and weigh every possible outcome out:

http://imgur.com/a/C1fhN#0

Would it really be in his character to die, rather than take the Hulk out?

Moreover, if we're going OOC tactics, the Hulk is DEF not going to kill. He only did so in the Dark Dimension because he knew everyone would come back if they died. Prior to that, he's constantly running the Hulk Maths to ensure no one dies.

^ Barry(in the DCnU) has also used his speed to calculate an infinite number of possibilities, in the space of a single page:

🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Barry(in the DCnU) has also used his speed to calculate an infinite number of possibilities, in the space of a single page:

🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Barry(in the DCnU) has also used his speed to calculate an infinite number of possibilities, in the space of a single page:

🙂

Wait. The ring can keep up with Barry?

It gave him the cliff notes, but no word on whether it was able to spam attacks at the speed of light.

Barry had to figure out the best way to use the ring to defeat the enemy at hand. To do this, he calculated infinite scenarios. He then used the ring accordingly.

The ring just provided him with info on how to be a GL.

Okay, so the ring wasn't processing shit at Barry's mental speed, then.

Nah. It just told him how to fly...and he himself processed what that would mean.

How to create power armour...and what the consequences would be.

Or, a giant boxing glove lol.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay, so the ring wasn't processing shit at Barry's mental speed, then.

Barry can lend extra speed to the ring if it reaches its processing speed limit. Here Flash accelerates WW into his own timeframe; Barda, Orion, and others effectively become frozen in place:

Oh, apparently he can retain near-infinite mass even after he stops running. And while in that state, staring right into a nuclear explosion doesn't hurt him: "Eyes of almost infinite mass turn towards the blaze".

Does anyone have scans of the most powerful elite Barry has dropped with his fist. I agree, in a race, Hulk would lose. Glad this is a fight. Please provide those scans.

Anti Monitor.