The Iranian Hostage Situation That Wasn't

Originally posted by Robtard
Meh, I'm okay with them embarrassing themselves.

I think what really sets me off is... this was a success. This event could have gone really ugly, but it didn't. No one got killed, no one was imprisoned... people from two very different countries, got together and spoke to each other. The problem was solved before it could even become one.

And somehow, that's a failure. Republicans have lost the ability to speak rationally about anything Obama does or has his name attached to.

Classic ODS.

So the deal is already paying off?

People will be really disappointed if World War III doesn't happen because of it now :'(

Originally posted by Lucius
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/iran-hostage-crisis-that-wasnt-217729

Look at these warmongering ****s. Look at how ****ing detached from reality the Republicans are. Useless warmongering degenerates; wretched worthless sacks of shit. Republicans are unfit to govern, unfit to hold public office. They say nothing of value; they have no ideas of value; their existence and beliefs are a net negative for this country. On questions of economics, foreign policy, social policy, science, ecology, public education, Republicans have nothing but bad ideas. Their supporters are ignorant, stupid, bible thumping, gun toting, racist degenerates.

This is our future if one of these troglodytes takes office in 2017. War for no good reason, diplomacy abandoned, allies insulted, and enemies empowered.

I don't get how you came to that conclusion from that link.

While the Republicans are stupid and idiotic, they have passed all of Obama's bills.

So I would be thanking them if I was you?

You Libs realize capturing foreign soldiers is an act of war. By international law they should have escorted/towed them to international waters and radio Washington for answers.

Entering restricted waters is also an act of war. Turns out clearer heads prevailed and didn't let some minor mistake escalate more than it needed to.

No it isn't. If you are going to make a post with a declarative statement atleast look into it.

Unless you think we have had a million Cuban American Wars.

Okay, I did; I was correct

Refugees/Asylum seekers are not the same as military personal on a military vessel

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
You Libs realize capturing foreign soldiers is an act of war. By international law they should have escorted/towed them to international waters and radio Washington for answers.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It is if we could prove that they were captured in international waters. And even then, are you really advocating going to war with Iran over this?

I'd implement talks and I'd levy their money on an apology for using our sailors for their propaganda.

@Robtard

You do know we have a large Naval detachment in the area, and there is a difference between allied force (which we are as part of the Iran deal) and an invading fortress. Also per Geneva convention law, you can't make propaganda with prisoners of foreign nations.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
What a nicely constructed Strawman.

I'd implement talks and I'd levy their money on an apology for using our sailors for their propaganda.

Where can I vote for you?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
What a nicely constructed Strawman.

I'd implement talks and I'd levy their money on an apology for using our sailors for their propaganda.

For what though? Just to feel good about ourselves? It's not as if Iran made a big deal about this, so what you're suggesting just sounds insecure. If anything that's exactly the reaction the Revolutionary Guard wanted from the United States.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's not a strawman if I'm asking you to state your position. Don't be so defensive.

For what though? Just to feel good about ourselves? It's not as if Iran made a big deal about this, so what you're suggesting just sounds insecure. If anything that's exactly the reaction the Revolutionary Guard wanted from the United States.

You punish people for breaking international law, you know what law means? They illegally captured Americans for use in propaganda pieces.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
You do know we have a large Naval detachment in the area, and there is a difference between allied force (which we are as part of the Iran deal) and an invading fortress.

A sovereign nation has the right to confront any foreign entities that enter its territory. You can try to dance around this as much as you want, but facts are facts.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
You made an assertion on my position. Thus a strawman.

You punish people for breaking international law, you know what law means? They illegally captured Americans for use in propaganda pieces.

I believe entering a sovereign nations waters with military ships is against international law, no?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
No, there isn't. Britain is one of our greatest allies - that doesn't mean that we have the right to unilaterally fly a B-52 over London with no consequences.

A sovereign nation has the right to confront any foreign entities that enter its territory. You can try to dance around this as much as you want, but facts are facts.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I believe entering a sovereign nations waters with military ships is against international law, no?

Jesus Christ I literally explained the SOP for this exact situation in this thread.

Yes, Iran determined that it was done by mistake and released the sailors. Are you suggesting they should give everyone that enters their water the benefit of the doubt and let them carry on?

:face palm and beer opened:

Iran escorts them out of their waters and can even monitor them. If the Americans resisted they could of course fight them. Neither side has even hinted the Americans fought back.

I'm sure you'd be similarly inclined if an Iranian boat was in US waters...

Originally posted by Henry_Pym

@Robtard

You do know we have a large Naval detachment in the area, and there is a difference between allied force (which we are as part of the Iran deal) and an invading fortress. Also per Geneva convention law, you can't make propaganda with prisoners of foreign nations.

Was going to reply directly but I see my students have covered it and it would just be redundant