Originally posted by Ushgarakso you are advocating personal attacks?
You are CLAIMING that basis and you are not believed. Bardock was simply attacking your credibility as part of attacking your position. You're mistaken if you think it is strawmanning. Regardless- like I told you, I don't want to see posts about meta-arguing. Engage or do not. If you don't think Bardock is being reasonable in the argument, ignore him.That's all there is to it.
There is John McCain explaining the violations.
Originally posted by Henry_PymThey are the same thing for the purposes of the law- which is what you were attempting to cite in your point, and which I was disputing.
no you made an exaggerated comparison... Ok, not the same thing unless you view a derelict ship and an active bomber as the same threat level.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Here is the link. I heard this on Fox yesterday as well.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/13/world/middleeast/iran-holds-us-navy-boats-crew.html?_r=0
They stole the GPS equipment, so they are going to hide the truth.
"The semiofficial Fars news agency in Iran said that the boats had illegally traveled more than a mile into Iranian waters near Farsi Island, the site of a major Iranian naval base. It said that members of the Revolutionary Guards Navy had confiscated GPS equipment, which would “prove that the American ships were ‘trespassing’ around in Iranian waters.â€
Are people just going to ignore this? It can't be proven either way now..
They took the GPS..
Originally posted by Ushgaraklol ok, I'll just assume I can't change anyone's mind and we will just have a debate thread in name only.
I think you need to re-think your attitude a little if you think that was a personal attack of any significance. It was a prosecutorial stance but it amounts to him saying he doesn't believe you- and that's fine.I think you'll find using McCain as an authority won't convince anyone either.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
lol ok, I'll just assume I can't change anyone's mind and we will just have a debate thread in name only.
Now that's a misrepresentation of what Ushgarak said.
Someone not believing you does not mean no-one's mind can be changed. It means that statements need credibility to be convincing.
Originally posted by Q99keyboard warriors thinking they hold more credibility than area experts is all I need to know.
Now that's a misrepresentation of what Ushgarak said.Someone not believing you does not mean no-one's mind can be changed. It means that statements need credibility to be convincing.
Also don't take it off topic.
Originally posted by Omega Visionno it's off topic bitching from a beta male
Well you won't change anyone's mind by automatically crying "strawman" in every post.Let me guess, that's a strawman too, isn't it?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Im confused how or why people here are taking the Iranian side, and not the sailors captured and put on their knees at gunpoint.
It's not taking the side of Iran, it's simply not holding double-standards. If an Iranian military boat with Iranian military personal came into US waters, the US would have detained said personal until the situation had been clarified and rightfully so.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's not taking the side of Iran, it's simply not holding double-standards. If an Iranian military boat with Iranian military personal came into US waters, the US would have detained said personal until the situation had been clarified and rightfully so.
Bullshit. And Iran would never be over here.
This is just another example of you being anti American and anti military.
The only reason they returned our men was because Obama the idiot is about to give them 100 billion dollars.
No one here has any proof they were in Iranian waters.
Infact them stealing the gps equipment almost proves the Iranians are liars.
When trump gets in office this deal will be revoked and if not revoked.
Enforced..