Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So its the rich people job to pay for peoples problem with over population, and its everyone elses to pay for their abortions.Do you know how stupid that sounds. Its like she has no brain at all.
I hope sanders leaves her in the dust where she belongs, ignorant retard she is.
My problem with the whole thing about rich people is what you are saying would be more valid to me if the rich didn't tend to get special treatment in various aspects of life. If we could press a magic button and cause that to happen it would be one thing, but as it stands some of them literally do whatever they want.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
DDM what do you think about Hilary just lying about everything?
I've always held that Hilary Clinton is a huge liar, is a warmongering cretin, and has been extremely dishonest. She doesn't belong anywhere near government.
This is how poorly I think of Hillary Clinton: I'd rather Sarah Palin be the next US President than Hillary Clinton.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Do you have some calculations how that would work out on the national level? Estimates how high it would have to be to achieve the same level, etc.?
I'm glad you asked!
Nope. 🙂
But others have.
17.2% or something. Not sure what that number means. The UK has a VAT tax of like 20%...
About.com does a very thorough job of explaining a sales/excise tax/fair tax system.
http://economics.about.com/cs/taxpolicy/a/fairtax_2.htm
Read the whole thing.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yea and much more difficult to get and cost me way more. Medicare would cost me $200 a month.Obamacare let me down, like many others.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Obama care it's free for my income level...so they discriminated against me.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I know many people including friends who have it free. They are minorities. Live at home and make pretty good money. And have no bills.
If your state had expanded Medicaid coverage, then you would qualify for free, based on your income alone.
Since your state did not expand Medicaid coverage, you have to qualify based on the existing rules in your state. Hence, the $234 a month fee, because you are not elderly, disabled, or have dependent children.
In other words, you are being penalized, because the Republican governor of your state refuses to accept federal funds to expand Medicaid coverage, all out of partisan spite. Refusing to establish a state exchange and refusing to expand Medicaid coverage are deliberate attempts to sabotage the health care law. They want it to fail, because they do not want Obama to have any policy accomplishments, and they do not care who gets hurt because of it.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That would mean that you do not make enough money to be required to purchase private health insurance on an exchange, and that you qualify for state-subsidized health care through Medicaid. That is actually a more cost-efficient option for you.
He said medicare though, thats an entirely different creature.
Medicare part A is free if you are 65 or had 24 months of social security benefits paid. Otherwise if you were deemed eligible then you would be required to pay a premium.
Medicaid is based on need and social welfare, with eligibility based on income. If a person has limited income and/or financial resources, Medicaid covers a broader spectrum of services than Medicare does.
It sounds like you are in muddied waters and I'd bet that if you went to the website to sign up for the aca during the open enrollment period you would get credits to offset premiums.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If your state had expanded Medicaid coverage, then you would qualify for free, based on your income alone.Since your state did not expand Medicaid coverage, you have to qualify based on the existing rules in your state. Hence, the $234 a month fee, because you are not elderly, disabled, or have dependent children.
In other words, you are being penalized, because the Republican governor of your state refuses to accept federal funds to expand Medicaid coverage, all out of partisan spite. Refusing to establish a state exchange and refusing to expand Medicaid coverage are deliberate attempts to sabotage the health care law. They want it to fail, because they do not want Obama to have any policy accomplishments, and they do not care who gets hurt because of it.
Then why do my minority friends get it for free?
Originally posted by snowdragon
He said medicare though, thats an entirely different creature.Medicare part A is free if you are 65 or had 24 months of social security benefits paid. Otherwise if you were deemed eligible then you would be required to pay a premium.
Medicaid is based on need and social welfare, with eligibility based on income. If a person has limited income and/or financial resources, Medicaid covers a broader spectrum of services than Medicare does.
It sounds like you are in muddied waters and I'd bet that if you went to the website to sign up for the aca during the open enrollment period you would get credits to offset premiums.
He may have said "Medicare," but clearly, since he is not 65 or older, he meant "Medicaid," so my post still applies.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Then why do my minority friends get it for free?
I do not know enough about your friends or your state Medicaid requirements. What percentage of the federal poverty level is their income? Do they collect SSI? Are they disabled? Do they have dependent children or older adults? There are plenty of reasons why they may qualify and you do not. None of them however, have anything to do with race, since that is not an eligibility criteria.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I've always held that Hilary Clinton is a huge liar, is a warmongering cretin, and has been extremely dishonest. She doesn't belong anywhere near government.This is how poorly I think of Hillary Clinton: I'd rather Sarah Palin be the next US President than Hillary Clinton.
I'm glad you asked!
Nope. 🙂
But others have.
17.2% or something. Not sure what that number means. The UK has a VAT tax of like 20%...
About.com does a very thorough job of explaining a sales/excise tax/fair tax system.
http://economics.about.com/cs/taxpolicy/a/fairtax_2.htm
Read the whole thing.
17,2%... must be nice.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He may have said "Medicare," but clearly, since he is not 65 or older, he meant "Medicaid," so my post still applies.
Being 65 isn't the only qualifier for medicare, I even wrote out some examples as to how he may qualify. You assumed something inncorectly and your specific explanation was incorrect.
Before age 65, you are eligible for Medicare hospital
insurance at no cost if
•
You’ve been entitled to Social Security disability benefits
for 24 months; or
•
You receive a disability pension from the railroad
retirement board and meet certain conditions; or
•
You receive Social Security disability benefits because
you have Lou Gehrig’s disease (amyotrophic lateral
sclerosis); or
•
You worked long enough in a government job through
which you paid Medicare taxes, and you’ve been entitled
to Social Security disability benefits for 24 months; or
•
You’re the child or widow(er) age 50 or older, including
a divorced widow(er), of someone who’s worked long
enough in a government job through which Medicare
taxes were paid, and you meet the requirements of the
Social Security disability program; or
•
You have permanent kidney failure and you receive
maintenance dialysis or a kidney transplant and
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You’re eligible for or receive monthly benefits under
Social Security or the railroad retirement system; or
7
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You’ve worked long enough in a Medicare-covered
government job; or
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You’re the child or spouse (including a divorced spouse)
of a worker (living or deceased) who has worked long
enough under Social Security or in a Medicare-covered
government job.
Medicaid doesn't discriminate based on race/gender etc it simply has income based requirements. If your friends are on it and you have the same income they do, you are eligible as well.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe TI is eligible as a former soldier.And Medicaid has different income requirements based on state, right?
Correct.
Also I dislike the ACA. It's terrible legislation that is fully of holes and terribly implemented.
We need to really just come full circle and have a hybrid system of socialized medicine for all citizens and allow insurance to sell or pick up the difference if people aren't pleased with what the govt makes available.
While I don't agree with socialized medicine as an individual, I think for our society it would be a step up in many cases.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's more or less the system we have in Germany.
Yes the US culture needs to start looking to speak beyond party lines and short term legislation driven by last weeks polls and perhaps look at other successful models we could "americanize" and embrace to enrich our country.