Originally posted by One Big MobWhen Owen sent a fraction of himself into each universe, his power must have been divided as well. If not, then each of those fragments would essentially be powerless...Which seems rather contradictory, given that each fragment is meant to anchor an entire universe. The fact that Val also said this process healed Owen further substantiates the notion that he is back to his 'normal' level, imo... But I digress.
Anyway it's not clear what happened with the Beyonders' powers. If it's actually getting drained doing that then it'd theoretically take as long as it takes them to finish, and they aren't finished yet iirc.
The point I was making is that it is clear Owen lost/divided the full power of the Beyonders at the end of SW, when he allocated a portion of himself amongst all universes(a notion carver disputed on the last page.)
Originally posted by RealityWarperyou are 100% right about this forum.
Current Owen isn't more powerful than before.He was just storing the power of the Beyonders like a battery and had to channel it into another being so it could be used.
It's literally stated by the narrator in the last issue of Secret Wars.
Like usual a lot of claims and no research on this forum...
And Owen's power is above Universal...
I HATE us! disgust
AND we are very, very stupid.
Originally posted by Galan007It could just be the other Molecule Mens powers. After it'd take quite a few Molecule Mans to add up to a Beyonder. Owen basically swallowed all the power which seems to include the Molecule Man bomb. Plus iirc he was absorbing them into him too. Even if not, his madness wasn't tied to the Beyonders' power, but just the other Molecule Men, so him making himself sane doesn't mean he went back to regular power.
When Owen sent a fraction of himself into each universe, his power must have been divided as well. If not, then each of those fragments would essentially be powerless...Which seems rather contradictory, given that each fragment is meant to anchor an entire universe. The fact that Val also said this process healed Owen further substantiates the notion that he is back to his 'normal' level, imo... But I digress.The point I was making is that it is clear Owen lost/divided the full power of the Beyonders at the end of SW, when he allocated a portion of himself amongst all universes(a notion carver disputed on the last page.)
Plus the first page called him omnipotent and said he had unlimited power as well.
I don't know. It just seems odd had he drained himself completely from that. Needs an epilogue issue by Hickman imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
When Owen sent a fraction of himself into each universe, his power must have been divided as well. If not, then each of those fragments would essentially be powerless...Which seems rather contradictory, given that each fragment is meant to anchor an entire universe. The fact that Val also said this process healed Owen further substantiates the notion that he is back to his 'normal' level, imo... But I digress.The point I was making is that it is clear Owen lost/divided the full power of the Beyonders at the end of SW, when he allocated a portion of himself amongst all universes(a notion carver disputed on the last page.)
You posted it yourself.
Owen was just a battery storing the power of the Beyonders which had to be redirected into a single individual in order to be used.
In short :
1) Owen couldn't use the power of the Beyonders himself and therefore wasn't more powerful.
2) The happy individual receiving the power redirected by Owen become equal with the omnipotent Beyonders.
Owen feeling "whole again" was just a reference to his sanity being back as his mind was "fragmented" and he was acting weird all the time.
I said it months ago on comicvine but people...
Originally posted by carver9Nope, he's just stating his opinion in a tactful manner. You should learn from him, instead of trying desperately to be cute. 🙂
Is he trolling.? 🙂
Originally posted by RealityWarperCorrect. Never said otherwise. 👆
I'm just showing that Owen never had the ability to use the power of the Beyonders.
Said power was still contained within him, though.
Originally posted by AstnerA single Beyonder was definitely not multiversal.
I think what he's trying to say is that Pre-Secret Wars Molecule Man was universal prior to the absorption of the Beyonders, and that even a single Beyonder should be multiversal; and so even when divided a single Molecule Man should be multiversal.
^ So if it took 3 Beyonders to overcome a multiversal power(after what was described as a lengthy/hard-earned battle), then how is one of them a multiversal power by itself? 😕
Aside from that, it later took dozenS of Beyonders to overwhelm Thor+Hype... Not to mention the other Beyonders who fell to the Ex Nihilii and Starbrand. Furthermore, the entire phucking Beyonder race was destroyed by a blast(ala the Owen-Bomb) that 'only' destroyed hundreds of thousands of universes. For a point of comparison, the multiverse=infinite universes. IOW, a blast of that magnitude should have been utterly insignificant to even a single multiversal power--nevermind an entire damned race of multiversal powers.
So yeah, there's no way in hell they were multiversal powers individually. Not when you factor in all of their showings.
Originally posted by Astner
I think what he's trying to say is that Pre-Secret Wars Molecule Man was universal prior to the absorption of the Beyonders, and that even a single Beyonder should be multiversal; and so even when divided a single Molecule Man should be multiversal.
Yep but we already knows that because the two fights between The Beyonder & Molecule Man already affected all universes. We said multiversal but the good term is omniversal.
For Marvel :
http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/omnapp.htm
A Universe is a single dimension, such as Earth-616 (or, more appropriately, Universe-616), the mainstream Marvel Universe. See below for further discussion in Earth-616 and numbering realities. Uni - "one"
The Multiverse is the collection of alternate dimensions with a similar nature and universal hierarchy. Earth-616, plus pretty much all of the What if? and Exiles worlds, as well as the vast bulk of the alternate Earths seen in the MU (which include a certain hierarchy of comics beings like the Watcher, Eternity, Infinity, etc) are within the same Multiverse. The myriad realms of Earth-616's Multiverse are overseen by the immensely powerful Living Tribunal. Those realms that lack this hierarchy of power are outside of the Multiverse, but within the larger Omniverse.
The only thing that was retconned was to state that The Beyonder beating the Abstracts was an illusion and that his power-level is below them, therefore scaling the Cosmic Cube-beings like The Molecule Man below the Abstracts too.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ So if it took 3 Beyonders to overcome a multiversal power(after what was described as a lengthy/hard-earned battle), then how is one of them a multiversal power by itself? 😕Aside from that, it later took dozenS of Beyonders to overwhelm Thor+Hype... Not to mention the other Beyonders who fell to the Ex Nihilii and Starbrand. Furthermore, the entire phucking Beyonder race was destroyed by a blast(ala the Owen-Bomb) that 'only' destroyed hundreds of thousands of universes. For a point of comparison, the multiverse=infinite universes. IOW, a blast of that magnitude should have been utterly insignificant to even a single multiversal power--nevermind an entire damned race of multiversal powers.
So yeah, there's no way in hell they were multiversal powers individually. Not when you factor in all of their showings.
If I recall correctly, Tom Brevoort said that Thor & Hyperion had a way to easily kill the Beyonders without giving further explanations.
It sounds reasonable that all Beyonders don't have exactly a similar power-level but we knows that The Beyonder whom was a child compared to his race was very very powerful.