Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Well for everyone else, only having a loss as her only combat experience would be proof of that, but I guess since she's in TOR, that little detail can be glossed over.
Really?
Losing alone doesn't make someone a shit combatant
Its who they lose to that determines how good or bad they are
Hell, with her feats, it speaks more about the person that beat her being awesome than anything about her being shit
Not that I know the circumstances (I'm mostly acquainted with her through an incomplete respect thread), maybe she was taken out by some mook... which just kind of falls into the typical jobbing any and every force user seems to exhibit.
Look, I get it, critical thinking is kind of like a unicorn for you, but I can tell you its indeed a real thing. :maybe
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Really?Losing alone doesn't make someone a shit combatant
Its who they lose to that determines how good or bad they are
Hell, with her feats, it speaks more about the person that beat her being awesome than anything about her being shit
Not that I know the circumstances (I'm mostly acquainted with her through an incomplete respect thread), maybe she was taken out by some mook... which just kind of falls into the typical jobbing any and every force user seems to exhibit.
Look, I get it, critical thinking is kind of like a unicorn for you, but I can tell you its indeed a real thing. :maybe
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except we saw the person who beat her get shit on with the Force. Like absolutely shit on. And this is literally her only showing at the moment.
Clearly had to be some parity not to die
Or, jobbing
Dooku vs Pirates, Anakin vs Hondo, Obi-Wan unable to generate enough telekinetic power to prevent free falling suicide that hadn't even started to fall yet (the entirety of Season 2 Episode 12 can just **** off thinking about it further)
How many low ends can I cite before you get the hint? :hmm
Then again you'd have to know what you're talking about to know that instead of writing long as ramblings for no reason.
Why exactly are you projecting onto me? :hmm
By the way, is that stick up your ass a recent accessory? I don't recall you being this bitchy last time I was here regularly *shrugs*
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123Or, jobbing
Dooku vs Pirates, Anakin vs Hondo, Grievous vs Gungans, etc.
How many low ends can I cite before you get the hint? :hmm
The difference between this case and those are that those characters have actually won other battles, which secures them as high-class combatants. For all her power, Vaylin's only combat showing was simply unimpressive; in other words, she's just a watered-down, less impressive Kyp 2.0. Low showings can only be considered low showings if the character in question has higher showings to contrast with them, and Vaylin does not. Based on the evidence, Freshest's stance is the most supported tbh.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The difference between this case and those are that those characters have won other battles, which secures them as high-class combatants. For all her power, Vaylin's only combat showing was simply unimpressive; in other words, she's just a watered-down Kyp 2.0. Low showings can only be considered low showings if the character in question has higher showings to contrast with them, and Vaylin does not. Based on the evidence, Freshest's stance is the most supported tbh.
And this doesn't strike you as moving the goal posts... why?
She has feats of great power, the strain doesn't appear to destroy her stamina from the little I've seen... why exactly would I assume she can't dredge up this kind of power in combat unless the narrative specifically notes it?
Force Users are consistently portrayed as about as smart as lobotomized fish when it comes to using their powers in combat or outside it, seems like a hefty double standard to say she's not behaving the same and suffering from the same bad writing *shrugs*
Note, I'm not even talking in context of who takes the thread. I'm once more just nitpicking his argument because its structure seems about as sound as straw supporting thick sheets of steel.