Vaylin vs. Darth Wyyrlok (Force battle)

I just don't take that as being bad at combat

Maybe it's just where I come from

Where I often encounter characters that have ridiculous feats, yet never technically fight anyone of note or at all

Why would I ask "is this person cabable of fighting"?

The route you seem to be going is she lacks skill, yet skill's hardly a stat worth considering unless there's rough parity between combatants in the first place. Overwhelming raw power trumps all sans bad writing bar none. You can't overcome massive stat disparity with finesse, it doesn't make up for being drowned in joules *shrugs*

Just clarify for me

Who defeats Vaylin?

I just want to know how to frame this for you in a potential rebuttal *shrugs*

Vaylin doesn't have "overwhelming power" just because she's ripped some plating up, and when she actually fought someone, actually using her "overwhelming TK," she lost. I'm sure she's powerful, but with no actual application of that power, it means absolute shit, especially with neutral starting distance. The fact that she's clinically insane helps. And the only one you need to worry about me thinking defeats Vaylin is Wyyrlok.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vaylin doesn't have "overwhelming power" just because she's ripped some plating up, and when she actually fought someone, actually using her "overwhelming TK," she lost.

Most would generally conclude either the person she was fighting was stronger at the moment (assuming they had a beam o war) or she was written like an idiot and forgot she had TK in the first place

Probably a few other options, but I can't think of them off the top of my head without seeing the fight

I'm sure she's powerful, but with no actual application of that power, it means absolute shit, especially with neutral starting distance.

Having not seen the fight she lost, why exactly are you assuming she wasn't using the kind of telekinetic power she exhibited tossing that building?

If you're going to cite lack of collateral, that's not good enough for me personally given I generally ignore conservation of energy

If you guys don't, I only hope you're consistent about it as to not look like hypocrites *shrugs*

The fact that she's clinically insane helps. And the only one you need to worry about me thinking defeats Vaylin is Wyyrlok.

Insanity can nerf an otherwise powerful fighter yeah

Depends on the type though

If she's constantly in a state of bloodlust, it'd only help her go for the big guns first. Or savor the deaths of her foes too I guess and draw it out.

Don't care about the outcome of the thread, I care about how the conclusion is reached

I debate semantics, because discussing the outcome in this hobby after 5 years bores me.

The argument you're making here is valid, but redundant. If Vaylin's defeat could be chalked to her being retarded about using her powers, she'd still lose because she's retarded about using her powers.

Its not like any other Force user is particularly smart about using their powers

Its not exactly exclusive to this *****

There shouldn't be lightsaber duels with some of the feats the high and top tiers have

It should look more like beam o war spam

I mean, I get what you're saying about redundant, but I just don't see this as an issue exclusive to her

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Most would generally conclude either the person she was fighting was stronger at the moment (assuming they had a beam o war) or she was written like an idiot and forgot she had TK in the first place

Probably a few other options, but I can't think of them off the top of my head without seeing the fight

Having not seen the fight she lost, why exactly are you assuming she wasn't using the kind of telekinetic power she exhibited tossing that building?

If you're going to cite lack of collateral, that's not good enough for me personally given I generally ignore conservation of energy

If you guys don't, I only hope you're consistent about it as to not look like hypocrites *shrugs*

Insanity can nerf an otherwise powerful fighter yeah

Depends on the type though

If she's constantly in a state of bloodlust, it'd only help her go for the big guns first. Or savor the deaths of her foes too I guess and draw it out.

Don't care about the outcome of the thread, I care about how the conclusion is reached

I debate semantics, because discussing the outcome in this hobby after 5 years bores me.

An army? Lolwut? She's by herself and casually rips up a section of plating that compares in size to a building and tosses it like a hundred feet.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Its not like any other Force user is particularly smart about using their powers

Its not exactly exclusive to this *****

There shouldn't be lightsaber duels with some of the feats the high and top tiers have

It should look more like beam o war spam

But they're not.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
We already know the person who defeated her is far weaker than her when she was a child, so no. No one would conclude she was stronger.

And if you'd link me video of this and the fight, maybe we could discuss something constructive instead of you ineffectually snarking :hmm

Again, Vaylin has never torn up buildings. She ripped up plating.

Semantics... really?

Buildings and that plating are hollow structures.

In her case, she tossed and ripped apart particularly thick metal plating that looked several stories high if not more. How thick the plating needs to be to emulate a volume of material comparable to a building of similar size is pithy.

And none of this has EVER been demonstrated in a combat situation.

So conservation of energy it is then

If that's how you guys roll, fair enough

Wut?

Do you hold all characters to the same standard as far as conservation of energy is concerned around here?

If so, continue debating how you will *shrugs*

That's all I meant by it

Liking to torture people and raving doesn't make you powerful.

What's with this unrelated tangent you're going on exactly?

That's nice. Not why anyone else is here though.

And that's the beauty of this hobby, you don't have to be doing this the way I go about it :maybe

You going to show why Vaylin is a good combatant now, or am I waiting with baited breath for nothing?

Can't say I will

Mostly because you seem to continue to refuse to link me anything to gather context

Originally posted by NewGuy01
But they're not.

I know

So why exactly are we discussing what is a "good combatant" in the first place when they all seem to be rubbish at it?

LOL @ Vaylin battling with Wyyrlok the same way she fought against her mother.

Seriously, she barely used the force there and we've seen what she is capable of when she does.

^^

Senya also evaded those attacks and used her melee advantage to incapacitate Vaylin, helped by Vaylin making no attempt to put a distance between them.

In a Force battle Wyyrlok can't employ those tactics.

Also, I'm not sure if it's relevant but that thing where she see's through Valkorion's like, flow-walking??, or whatever happens in episode 2 suggests heightened perceptions that could be useful against Wyyrlok.

I think her biggest challenge will be overcoming his illusions, those perceptions might be of use in seeing through them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
An army? Lolwut? She's by herself and casually rips up a section of plating that compares in size to a building and tosses it like a hundred feet.

Originally posted by Sinious
LOL @ Vaylin battling with Wyyrlok the same way she fought against her mother.

Seriously, she barely used the force there and we've seen what she is capable of when she does.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
She's by herself in a factory that builds their army lead by platoons of KoZ? Are you insane?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
She's by herself in a factory that builds their army lead by platoons of KoZ? Are you insane?

Are you senile? She's standing outside on a platform/walkway. She has no troops near her, she has no backup. Not that that would boost her tk, you blithering tool.

Does anyone have a link to this TK feat?

YouTube video

7.12.