Originally posted by Henry_Pym
He created a vortex capeable of pulling in a man strong enough to laugh off a shot to the head with the same force that shattered thick stone walls.He did that in one slash, hes also so fast guys who can slash so fast they create blades of wind cant follow his movements.
He also ran through the hail of bullets from a gattling gun
...And you think those feats are comparable to sound?...
Wtf?
Originally posted by Henry_PymYes, I do.
You think he can create a vortex by swinging his sword at less than sound? Really?Lol @ the wtf, use your brain.
You really don't know how fast Sound is.
Sonic the Hedgehog moves at the speed of sound. Contrary of popular belief, he does NOT move at the speed of light.
Guns do not even move at a fraction of the speed of sound.
Bullets also don't create vortexes...
Kenshin isn't running a marathon at the speed of sound, but he seems to "teleport" (short distance steps 10-15 steps) right from the eyes of groups of people who are looking directly at him and even guys who are fast enough to create after images say they have to predict Kenshin's movement because they can't see him at his top speed. Hell at his top speed he creates a very obvious sonic boom.
Originally posted by Henry_PymNot going to dignify that, as Kenshin isn't faster then the bullets in his time.
Bullets also don't create vortexes...Kenshin isn't running a marathon at the speed of sound, but he seems to "teleport" (short distance steps 10-15 steps) right from the eyes of groups of people who are looking directly at him and even guys who are fast enough to create after images say they have to predict Kenshin's movement because they can't see him at his top speed. Hell at his top speed he creates a very obvious sonic boom.
Regardless of how fast you think he is, we know he's fast enough that as mentioned, other people who move so fast they disappear from sight and can run on walls and ceilings for extended amounts of time have trouble seeing him. And his reaction time is fast enough to block bullets as well as easily dodge them.
Now Guts is nowhere near that fast so....
Also, Kenshin is stated as being insanely fast due to his small frame, which lets him utilize Hitten Mitsurugi's speed far more than even his master, because he's so tiny.
And he's got tons of techniques Guts can't defend against, as well as being able to cut steel.
Originally posted by KingD19Guts has fought and killed someone that moves faster then Kenshin.
Regardless of how fast you think he is, we know he's fast enough that as mentioned, other people who move so fast they disappear from sight and can run on walls and ceilings for extended amounts of time have trouble seeing him. And his reaction time is fast enough to block bullets as well as easily dodge them.Now Guts is nowhere near that fast so....
Also, Kenshin is stated as being insanely fast due to his small frame, which lets him utilize Hitten Mitsurugi's speed far more than even his master, because he's so tiny.
And he's got tons of techniques Guts can't defend against, as well as being able to cut steel.
He's fought worse then him.
If he's in his Berserk armor, he wins.
If Kenshin has blocked a bullet, I haven't seen it.
Kenshin is nowhere near the speed of sound, he moves faster then any normal human, but he isn't Sonic the Hedgehog, and he'd really need to be if he didn't want Guts tagging him whatsoever.
Guts is definitely faster enough to tag Kenshin in Berserk Armor. Dude does flips and acrobatics at high speed in the armor, and swings his sword so fast its like a butter knife, he can swing his sword so fast that it will straight up break his arm.
Kenshin can only win if he can avoid Guts and get in some quick strikes.
Even then, the berserker armor only gives up after every bone in the person's body has broken, and the last drop of their blood has been spilled. This is all stated in the Millineum Falcon arc if you want to know about it.
If you wanna see what Guts can do in motion with the berserker armor, go look at the Berserk Millineum Falcon cutscenes in the PS2 game.
Guts has fought and killed someone that moves faster then Kenshin.
But, that foe relied pretty much entirely on speed. Kenshin, while fast, does not rely on simple ability to blitz people, his most notable talent is the ability to read opponent's moves and intentions.
Kenshin's still faster than Guts, but it's his whole package that's a threat, with the speed just being one aspect, as he would not
To draw a Naruto analogy, it's kinda like how the chidori is a liability due to it's super-fast speed.... but far less so with the sharingan which lets the user use the speed *and* avoid counterattack. Kenshin's slower than Guts' fastest foe, but he can read counterattacks a lot better.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
After reading through Berserk's Manga deep and thorough.It has come to my attention that Guts has dodged lightning.
That makes him Mach 300, which is 299x faster then Kenshin.
Guts godstomps.
It really doesn't. Dodging something doesn't require moving remotely near as fast as what you're dodging. If you sense it coming, say, a tenth of a second in advance due to ionization, and move four feet to dodge, then that means you only need to be fast enough to move four feet in a tenth of a second, whether it's an arrow or lightning.
Also, the fact that Guts runs and jumps and fights constantly without moving remotely near that level tells us that's not the case. He does not outrun cannonballs, make arrows look like they're standing still, or plow through an army like a *literal* cannonball allowing his raw momentum and shockwave to splatter them all via simple speed and momentum.
Originally posted by Q99He stopped an arrow in midair in his younger days.
But, that foe relied pretty much entirely on speed. Kenshin, while fast, does not rely on simple ability to blitz people, his most notable talent is the ability to read opponent's moves and intentions.Kenshin's still faster than Guts, but it's his whole package that's a threat, with the speed just being one aspect, as he would not
To draw a Naruto analogy, it's kinda like how the chidori is a liability due to it's super-fast speed.... but far less so with the sharingan which lets the user use the speed *and* avoid counterattack. Kenshin's slower than Guts' fastest foe, but he can read counterattacks a lot better.
It really doesn't. Dodging something doesn't require moving remotely near as fast as what you're dodging. If you sense it coming, say, a tenth of a second in advance due to ionization, and move four feet to dodge, then that means you only need to be fast enough to move four feet in a tenth of a second, whether it's an arrow or lightning.
Also, the fact that Guts runs and jumps and fights constantly without moving remotely near that level tells us that's not the case. He does not outrun cannonballs, make arrows look like they're standing still, or plow through an army like a *literal* cannonball allowing his raw momentum and shockwave to splatter them all via simple speed and momentum.
Created a tornado, and cut through one, AND dodged one.
When fighting Zodd, he was "too fast for the human eye to see".
He dodged it just before it hit. It shows the lightning nearly touching his feet.
This is Guts fighting as a literal tornado.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yes, I do.You really don't know how fast Sound is.
Sonic the Hedgehog moves at the speed of sound. Contrary of popular belief, he does NOT move at the speed of light.
Is that straight from the horses mouth? (Sega's) Or fan calcs?
The toons have his speed all over the place, up to casually breaking the time barrier, but would assume those are non canon.
Originally posted by cdtmIts in every single source he's ever been portrayed in.
Is that straight from the horses mouth? (Sega's) Or fan calcs?The toons have his speed all over the place, up to casually breaking the time barrier, but would assume those are non canon.
He's literally known as a Hedgehog that runs at the speed of sound, thats his whole purpose.