Amazing? Why?

Started by Surtur17 pages

Eninn I am in need of spiritual guidance. Just heard this crazy story where your prophet more or less tortures and kills a Jewish man(using fire) for not telling him where he has hidden treasure.

Why did the prophet(Peace Be Upon Him) do it?

Was this the prophet predicting the..hazards of torture on the future, or something? Like our recent torture scandals? Gitmo? Or was this a lesson in fire safety gone horribly horribly wrong?

Did you not want to explain why your prophet tortured and killed a Jewish man for refusing to reveal the location of a treasure?

yes brother

let's see the truth together;

Kinana b. al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (T. was brought) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, ‘Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?’ he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-Awwam, ‘Torture him until you extract what he has,’ so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud. [1]

It is alleged from the above report by critics that Prophet Mohammad (p) tortured Kinana b. al-Rabi because he had some ‘treasure’. When Kinana was questioned about the whereabouts of this treasure, he refused to disclose the location as the pseudo report states.

This story is not found in any of our most authentic collection of Hadith. Nor is there any truth to it. This is because it is claimed in the report that Kinana was tortured with ‘fire’- this cannot be true because there are many authentic Hadith where Prophet (p) forbade torture with fire. Moreover, the Prophet (p) had everything he wished, he would never torture someone for money. As a matter of fact, the Prophet (p) was offered by the Quraish anything in the world he wanted and even would have made him leader of them as long as he stopped preaching the Message of Islam. The Prophet declined their offer. This just goes against the character of the Prophet (p). Furthermore, scholars below mention that there is no truth to the part about ‘treasure’, it is false. The reason he was killed is because he took a life unlawfully.

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The caravan had been traveling for few hours now. Signs of fatigue were obvious on their faces. They arrived at a point and stopped. The Prophet (S.A.W.) who was also in the caravan, stopped the camel, and landed. Prior to anything, they were in search of water to prepare for prayer.

The Prophet (S.A.W.) also started searching for water. But soon, returned to his camel, without saying anything to anyone. The companions were surprised that the Prophet (S.A.W.) had ordered stopping here, and now perhaps he would like to move again? Eyes and ears were awaiting his order. But the surprise of the group increased as they saw him approach his camel, and tied its knees, and returned back in search of water.

Noises were raised from every corner:

" O Prophet of Allah! Why didn't you order us to do this for you, and insteadyou put yourself in discomfort? We would have proudly done that service for you."

The Prophet (S.A.W.) responded: "Never seek others' help in your affairs, don't lean on others, even if it is a small piece of Miswak (the wood used for brushing teeth)."

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شاب يتحدى الدكتور ذاكر نايك ويقول إذا أجبت على هذه الـ 6 أسألة سأعتنق الإسلام | Dr. Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrYwxQWNWVI

دكتورة جامعية تعتنق الاسلام بعد 3 اجابات صاعقة من الدكتور ذاكر نايك

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ol262WPyI

Lol..what?

Also, you said your prophet had "anything he wished". You are aware he was a warlord, right?

Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam

Different teams

Shiites and other

The Christian and Jewish (Zionist)
this
The basis of terrorism in the world

Jihad is Completely different
Yes, my dear brother
This is a good question.

- At the beginning of the Islamic Dawa
There is no fighting
Peaceful invitation to the oneness of God

Legislation to fight
Came after an polytheists attack
On the blood and symptoms and Muslim money

Kill the infidels and the polytheists in the Holy Qur'an for several specific reasons and specific conditions

Example
If someone assaults you and kill your children and your relatives and your package from your country by force
What will you do?

This exactly happened in the time of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

Polytheists and infidels tortured new Muslims unjustly

Killing infidels owners of the Messenger of Allah, without the right

Prevent the infidels from Muslim food and drink without the right

Infidels and take their money home without the right

Get out the infidels of Mecca, the Prophet without the right

Imagine with me all these terrible acts occurred

Only because they are Muslims

Therefore, the revelation came through Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

State in the Holy Qur'an

Must fight the polytheists as mohammed they killed unduly

But
You mohammed you have the right to kill them

36. Verily, the number of months with Allah is twelve months (in a year), so was it ordained by Allah on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are Sacred, (i.e. the 1st, the 7th, the 11th and the 12th months of the Islamic calendar). That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) collectively , as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun

But
The peaceful infidels should not fight them or kill them at all

We have to talk to them about the message of Islam to respect

8. Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.

Depends on circumstances. Its only defensive. When life is at risk and to save them.

Dont you have military in your country for defense? Or they are use for mass murdering?

If people dont use Qur'an for their purpose and maintain exactly, then it offer only peace, nothing else.

32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.

Surah Al-Ma'idah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou0oCs7R0Js

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2WStmyWbmk
The True Message of Islam youtube

Terrorism and Jihad YouTube

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8. SOME CHEERFUL MOMENTS FROM THE LIFE OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD

WHO WILL BUY THIS SLAVE
Hazrat Anas says: A villager named Zaher bin Haram (r.z) used to bring good from his village to sell them in Madinah. He also used to bring some rural gifts for Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him). In return Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) also gave him some gifts made in Madinah.

He was a pious man, an Arab but African like personality. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) had respect and love for him and use to say "He is my rural friend, and I am his urban friend".

Once, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) saw him selling his goods in market. He quietly came from behind so that Zaher bin Haram could not see him, and to surprise him, He suddenly embraced him from behind. Zaher said, "Who is that? Free me." But when he realized that he is Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him), he tried to remain like that for more time (to have blessings).

The Prophet jokingly asked his companions, "Who will purchase this slave?". Laughing and still in Prophet's grip, Zaher said, "O messenger of Allah! you will be in loss (because due to my poor personality, no one will give you a good price)."

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) said, "(No Zaher), even if people don't give you due respect, but for Allah you are priceless and invaluable."
(Ahmad, Mishkaat)
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YOU ATE TOO MUCH DATES
Once Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him), Hazrat Ali (rz) and few other companions were eating dates from a big plate.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) by way of jest put the seeds in front of Hazrat Ali (rz). When all finished eating, there were no seeds in front of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him), but a heap in front of Hazrat Ali (rz).
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) feigned surprise and asked, "O Ali, you ate so many dates?"
Hazrat Ali humbly replied, "O messenger of Allah! Today i realized that you eat dates with the seeds."
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CAMEL'S CALF
Hazrat Anas (rz) says: Once a man begged Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) for a camel for conveyance purpose.
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) was in jolly mood, so He said, "Yes i will give you, but a calf (baby camel).
That person could not understand and got surprised and said, "O messenger of Allah! what I will do with a calf of a camel?" (means how can i ride a calf).
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) said "Every camel is the calf of a camel (means even after getting matured for riding, it remains a child of camel)
(Tirmizi, Abo Dawood)
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رد مرعب ل د.ذاكر نايك على سؤالين معظم المسيحين يظنونهم نقطة ضعف للمناظرات
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwlUPwy91Jc

أقوى اقناع بالدين الاسلامي على الاطلاق للدكتور زاكر نايك HD 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT4ycOxevCI

Damn, you have legit been brainwashed by this religion. Fascinating.

And you're addicted to responding to him. Pathetic.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And you're addicted to responding to him. Pathetic.

I know, it is pathetic how brainwashed he is by this religion.

Yeah, sometimes it's best not to dignify something with a response...

...which of course would make most of this 'Religion' forum a quiet place.

I'm genuinely curious as to how eninn rationalizes certain things about his religion. You saw me point out a story where Muhammad tortures and murders a jewish man in order to find some treasure. His response is to essentially say it is not true.(spoiler:it actually is)

Originally posted by Surtur
I know, it is pathetic how brainwashed he is by this religion.
Do you stretch before or after your mental gymnastics?

YouTube video

Jokes on you, I don't stretch at all.

Originally posted by Surtur
I know, it is pathetic how brainwashed he is by this religion.
What else would you have him do with his free time?

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
What else would you have him do with his free time?

Worship someone who didn't bang little kids.

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Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
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Muhammad had a child bride. He f*cked her good and plenty. He is a revered figure in Islam.

So I say again: if he is going to worship someone, I'd rather it not be kiddy f*cking warlords.

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NO HEAVEN FOR OLD PEOPLE
Hazrat Anas (rz) says: Once an old lady asked Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) to pray for her, so that Allah may bless her with heaven. Prophet said, "No old lady will enter heaven."
She was shocked, begin crying and asked, "Why old women will not enter heaven?"
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) said, "Did not you read the verse of Qur'an which says. Women of heaven will be of young age."
(Mean all people who died old will be made young first, then will enter heaven.)
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COME ALONG WITH YOUR FULL BODY
Hazrat Auf bin Maalik Ashari (rz) says: During the journey of Tabook, I went to meet Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) when He(Peace be upon Him) was relaxing in a leather tent. I greeted Him(peace be upon Him) (said Salam), He(peace be upon Him) replied. Then I asked permission to meet him. He gave me permission. then I asked, Shall i come inside tent along with my full body?
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) said, "Yes, come along with your full body."
So i entered the tent.
Hazrat Usman bin Abo Ataka says, the leather tent in which Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) was relaxing was too small. Hence Hazrat Auf Said, Shall I come along with full body?"
Hazrat Auf(rz) only by leaning inside tent, could have talked to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him), but both were in jolly mood, hence talked in terms of full and half body.
(Abo Dawood)
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ONE WITH TWO EARS
Hazrat Anas (rz) says: Once (in a pleasant mood), Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) called me as "O one with two ears!".
(Because Hazrat Anas (rz) use to hear what ever Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) said very carefully)
(Abo Dawood, Turmazi)
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أصعب سؤال طرح على د.ذاكر نايك عن الزنا ... شاهد اقتناع المسيحين بالجواب ( خطير جدا )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA0Sh96q-x0

لم يصلب المسيح والدليل من الكتاب المقدس - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik \
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyA1gsxy1HA

There are some beautiful ideas in the Koran Ennin.

My favourite is the idea only God can judge you.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac

My favourite is the idea only God can judge you.

This came from Black Jesus: Tupac.

Originally posted by eninn
*snipped*

You still haven't addressed the torture and murder of a Jew over some hidden treasure. You claim it didn't really happen, but it actually did lol. Are you literally going to pretend any horrible passages in this book do not exist? Even Christians with the bible do not tend to do that.

Let me ask you this: is there anything in that book you find horrifying?