Difficult Characters to rank as duelists
What are some characters who have very few appearances in lightsaber duels/perform so inconsistently, that they've confounded your attempts to categorize them or place them near someone in terms of skill? What makes it difficult for you to rank them, do they seem to perform better in one medium as opposed to another or do they just appear in a comic or a one off appearance?
Kylo Ren- It's hard to place him as we've never seen him duel under normal circumstances i.e. not grievously injured and emotionally unbalanced/unfocused.
Bultar Swan- Lack of material.
Serra Keto- Same.
Palpatine- Honestly it baffles me why so many people keep insisting he's some uber-duellist when expert analysts have provided compelling evidence otherwise. The thing with Palpatine is that he wins duels mainly due to his Force power and super-speed. He doesn't use much real skill or technique.
The Player Character types can be hard, because they're all strong, but it's usually left fairly open what aspects make them strong.
Lesse, you have a few cases where an era doesn't have enough people fighting each other to get much of an idea (though I think the Bane era has enough contestants that fight Bane/Each other to make an educated guess).
One showing wonders aren't actually that hard, you just assume that's the norm for them.
Oh! Cin Drallig. Because he's in a position that implies great skill, his one movie showing has him go out like a total chump, but there's a video game take that implies he's pretty strong, and his apprentice is impressive, so the information is downright contradictory.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Kylo Ren- It's hard to place him as we've never seen him duel under normal circumstances i.e. not grievously injured and emotionally unbalanced/unfocused.Bultar Swan- Lack of material.
Serra Keto- Same.
Palpatine- Honestly it baffles me why so many people keep insisting he's some uber-duellist when expert analysts have provided compelling evidence otherwise. The thing with Palpatine is that he wins duels mainly due to his Force power and super-speed. He doesn't use much real skill or technique.
Don't you start again. You have broken a rule here. Using the versus makers as fact. They themselves have said they aren't facts and aren't to be used as facts. That entire video not only has contradictory evidence to what they say, but is also based on their own perception and way of thinking. Don't come in here with that again. You can have your own opinion but at least do better at proving it then that, and the so called expert analyst they provided isn't that. It's just their opinion which they are welcome to as we are all welcome to our view.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I'd say Grievous. Even though he's had many appearances, but in mediums portraying him very differently.
Yea OCW he taking on Jedi council masters and other masters at once with ease, and fighting even with shaak ti.
LOE he's considered an even challenge with Windu or something like that.
TCW he can't get passed the defenses of Ahsoka tano or even Nadar resulting to a blaster to finish it.
Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Due to circumstances and consistently poor writing, yes.
Fixed that for you tbh
3 seasons in to my rewatch and I'm left baffled at the number of times these assholes forget they have superpowers :lmao
Not even talking "crush that droid"
Talking "keep this human from running the **** away" or "why are you letting them commit suicide"
Even contained to TCW alone, they have many feats in excess of the kinetic energy of human sprinting...
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Palpatine- Honestly it baffles me why so many people keep insisting he's some uber-duellist when expert analysts have provided compelling evidence otherwise. The thing with Palpatine is that he wins duels mainly due to his Force power and super-speed. He doesn't use much real skill or technique.
Because he sliced down two council members without them being able to defend, a third who was only briefly able to defend, and only Mace Windu really performed that well against him in a saber duel.
Also, he doesn't win *just* due to speed. Against Savage, he beat him while looking the other direction. He wasn't blitzing him in the slightest, he was just good enough to walk through Savage's defenses like they weren't there.
Sure, he's got a lot of speed... but the people who can match his speed and force power still have plenty of trouble with him, and his dismantling of Savage was an overwhelming finesse thing, not speed or power.