Difficult Characters to rank as duelists

Going solely off of characters who only lack information rather than those who simply have near-conflicting showings in this post....

Personally, Revan is difficult since he has a lot of hype, but most if not all of his comparisons in dueling are against other unquantifiable individuals who's only true comparison is to Revan himself.

Obviously along with Revan is Malak himself.

I also agree Nox is difficult to place as far as sabers go. Obviously they have HIGH force power yet given their medium saber skills is questionable all around for them. We can assume an, at least, proficient level of skill for a Dark Council member but beyond that Nox has one pure saber skill feat to their name and it's not against the most impressive quality opponent as far as their own saber skill could be estimated.

Darth Sion is definitely one I think SHOULD be fairly skilled with a saber, though whether or not he let his abuse of his immortality turn his saber skills to crap is speculatory, as well as the conditions in which he's beaten many of his opponents, like Master Vash.

Kylo Ren as well, seeing as how if you took his injured loss at face-value, and assuming the injury was anything short of completely debilitating, makes him look VERY bad.

Cin Drallig is also odd for me to place, while being the battle-master of the Order it seems like the general impression of him is rather bad. Though that may be only in reference to characters like Anakin?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea OCW he taking on Jedi council masters and other masters at once with ease, and fighting even with shaak ti.

LOE he's considered an even challenge with Windu or something like that.

TCW he can't get passed the defenses of Ahsoka tano or even Nadar resulting to a blaster to finish it.

Grievous was toying with Ahsoka although yes, Nahdar is a different story.

Anyone in KOTOR/ TOR really.

TOR characters. Extremely powerful characters like GM Luke or DE Sidious.

The TOR main characters seem to suffer from a bit of plot-yo yo in power.

An arc finishes, "Look how powerful your character is beating the boss! You're one of the strongest ever!" A new arc begins, with a new villain, "Oh, you weren't really that strong, this foe's still a lot more powerful!" Repeat.

Originally posted by Vixas

Kylo Ren as well, seeing as how if you took his injured loss at face-value, and assuming the injury was anything short of completely debilitating, makes him look VERY bad.

And realistically, those wounds *should* be majorly debilitating, and then he had to aggravate them in a fight even before getting to the main event.

Well duh people higher up in the Sith hierarchy are more powerful. That's to be expected.

Originally posted by Q99
Because he sliced down two council members without them being able to defend, a third who was only briefly able to defend, and only Mace Windu really performed that well against him in a saber duel.

Also, he doesn't win *just* due to speed. Against Savage, he beat him while looking the other direction. He wasn't blitzing him in the slightest, he was just good enough to walk through Savage's defenses like they weren't there.

Sure, he's got a lot of speed... but the people who can match his speed and force power still have plenty of trouble with him, and his dismantling of Savage was an overwhelming finesse thing, not speed or power.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Well duh people higher up in the Sith hierarchy are more powerful. That's to be expected.

The thing is the later foes aren't necessarily any higher in the hierarchy. Like, you take on members of the Dark Council noted to be strong for councilors pretty early on, and the Emperor himself before all that long.

Except no. The only loses for the protags before KotFE is HoT to the Emperor and Nox to Thanaton, both of which were higher up the ladder.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Fixed that for you tbh

3 seasons in to my rewatch and I'm left baffled at the number of times these assholes forget they have superpowers :lmao

Not even talking "crush that droid"

Talking "keep this human from running the **** away" or "why are you letting them commit suicide"

Even contained to TCW alone, they have many feats in excess of the kinetic energy of human sprinting...

Right because people never make mistakes. They never have lapses in judgement or oversights, never get caught up in the heat of the moment, never look back and say "darn, it would have been easier if I'd just done that instead..."

Sorry for the tone but come on. People do stuff like that all the time.

Galen Marek.