Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, this is a very common response in Western countries as well, perpetrated by white, christians or secular people. Feminists have been speaking out about it for many years, and yes, the sexist, patriarchal people in Muslim countries think the same awful way.
Do you think the countries of the west respond to it with the same degree of fanaticism that Muslim countries do?
Originally posted by Stigma
I subscribe to the position Surtur presented. Only sick f*cks would blame women for rape.
Yeah, it's generally more subtle like "Well, she shouldn't have been at that party", "she shouldn't have been drinking so much alcohol", "she shouldn't have been wearing a skirt that short", "she shouldn't have accepted the drink from that guy" "she should have taken a cab", etc. etc.
All of those put blame on the woman, without outright stating it, and a lot of these "sick ****s" would, if pushed, claim they do not blame women for their rapes. But you know, words vs. deeds.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, this is a very common response in Western countries as well, perpetrated by white, christians or secular people. Feminists have been speaking out about it for many years, and yes, the sexist, patriarchal people in Muslim countries think the same awful way.
Yet you remain silent when you women are raped and sexually assaulted and groped.
Originally posted by Robtard
While you'd be stupid walking down the street at night with a fistful of cash in a known high-crime neighborhood, it's still nonsense victim-blaming going "well, they should have known better, so too bad". Yes, they should have known better, but it's the criminal who is to blame in committing the crime, not the person who made a stupid decision.
Why is it mutually exclusive with you? Why can't it be this (which is my point):
1. It's stupid to do stupid shit.
2. Assholes who do assholish criminal things are assholes and criminals.
You don't have to choose one or the other. 😐
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think what we should be doing is the same thing we should be doing when anyone blames the clothes women wear or the alcohol women consume, we should speak out against it, point out why it is misguided and actually helps rapists, and hopefully convince more and more people to not jump to these victim-blaming conclusions.
I also think we should add mandatory education to middle school and high school in the US that talks, very frankly, about sexual assault and rape, and the best methods to avoid it.
Such as...don't underage drink at a party with mostly men around unless you are with a group that is there to protect you/help you in a bad situation (because kids will still drink...just do it with a slight bit of planning and avoid some bad consequences). My point could equally apply to the males who also get raped while intoxicated: they could have a male-centric class to help them protect themselves.
And while I'm on this soap-box, they should also have a mandatory 2 years of personal finance classes in the required curriculum in the US.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Why is it mutually exclusive with you? Why can't it be this (which is my point):1. It's stupid to do stupid shit.
2. Assholes who do assholish criminal things are assholes and criminals.
You don't have to choose one or the other. 😐
Nobody is saying you have to choose one or the other. However, what *does* need to be done is to acknowledge that ultimately 99.9999% of the blame falls onto the criminal for being a criminal.
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