Originally posted by Damborgson
Yup.And Stan Lee's intention was for Thor to be stronger than Hulk, which he was for a time.
He's still more powerful though, his best is hard to top.
Under Stan Lee himself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor was never stronger than Hulk. In fact as soon as FF 25 and Avengers 5,hulk was stated to be stronger and more powerful than Thor.Under Stan Lee himself.
He overpowered the Hulk in one of their very first encounters, much to Hulks bewilderment. It just didn't last long.
Well, that's obviously not true. Scans though?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Read JiM #112. It came out a year after both issues you mentioned.😬
Originally posted by Damborgson
He overpowered the Hulk in one of their very first encounters, much to Hulks bewilderment. It just didn't last long.Well, that's obviously not true. Scans though?
Narration: "The most powerful creature on Earth." (This story featured Thor and the other Avengers as well and contains the first ever reference to the Hulk's dynamic strength.) FANTASTIC FOUR #25
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Narration: "No other power save Thor's hammer " could accomplish what the Hulk's punch does. AVENGERS #5
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Narration: "The strongest creature to walk the Earth." AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #14
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All written by Stan Lee
Originally posted by golem370
The Mighty Thor number 385 is a good idea for this fight because when Hulk had Thor throw his hammer away we see that although Thor can hang with Hulk for awhile Hulk healing will keep Hulk it better shape while Thor durability will give out on his eventually
The Hulk did not have a significant healing factor at the time MT #385 was published. That issue explicitly attributes Hulk eventually beating down Thor to the fact that he grew stronger during the fight, whilst Thor's strength level remained static.
Cheers.
Originally posted by Damborgson
He kinda did. Someone hasn't kept up as much as he think he does 😂
Scan or issue number?
Thanks 👍 interesting times, but Thor's proved many times over he's the more powerful.
He may be more powerful. He was never stronger. Even the weakest of green Hulks, Banner hulk who was unable to get stronger by being angrier stalemated Thor in a contest of strength.
regardless, it is at least HIGHLY debatable that thor is stronger than hulk. i don't think i've ever seen it said, before now, that hulk apparently can't even BECOME stronger, since when he was at his strongest there were STILL people who said thor could match him in strength. this last week of thor/hulk discussions has been....weird.
i'd always figured thor=hulk at regular po'd levels. wwh was always stronger imo, but not by much perhaps, since herc was believed to have still had a chance to take him (though it didn't look like he had TOO much chance....) but once past THAT threshold, forget it. hulk leaves him in the dust--along with pretty well everyone else.
that doesn't mean thor can't win--the hammer is one of comics ultimate plot devices. but saying thor is as STRONG as any hulk ever?? that's completely absurd imo, and using ancient interviews and ideas to support those ideas makes no sense and they have no bearing on current incarnations. hulk is the strongest. really never thought people still questioned that notion. it's a point i would certainly bz, assuming anyone believes that thor can match all of hulk's feats, in ALL his incarnations.
Originally posted by leonidasTo be fair Juggernaut had a good showing against WWH to the point that WWH decided it was better to BFR Cain instead of actually trying to take him on.
regardless, it is at least HIGHLY debatable that thor is stronger than hulk. i don't think i've ever seen it said, before now, that hulk apparently can't even BECOME stronger, since when he was at his strongest there were STILL people who said thor could match him in strength. this last week of thor/hulk discussions has been....weird.i'd always figured thor=hulk at regular po'd levels. wwh was always stronger imo, but not by much perhaps, since herc was believed to have still had a chance to take him (though it didn't look like he had TOO much chance....) but once past THAT threshold, forget it. hulk leaves him in the dust--along with pretty well everyone else.
that doesn't mean thor can't win--the hammer is one of comics ultimate plot devices. but saying thor is as STRONG as any hulk ever?? that's completely absurd imo, and using ancient interviews and ideas to support those ideas makes no sense and they have no bearing on current incarnations. hulk is the strongest. really never thought people still questioned that notion. it's a point i would certainly bz, assuming anyone believes that thor can match all of hulk's feats, in ALL his incarnations.
Heck I would say that was one of Cain's better showing against Hulk overall and it came when Hulk was 'supposed' to be stronger.
I actually hate the Hulk distinctions because honestly at any given time a writer can take a different version of Hulk and give them a feat that is on par or better than what supposedly stronger versions of Hulk have done. And considering the dynamic nature and long history of the character I think it is silly to try and gauge a character's overall strength level base on how well they have done against a certain version of Hulk. Then say another version of Hulk decimates them based on that.
I mean Thor has stalemated an enraged Savage Hulk for hours. Yet he has also stalemated Prof. Hulk who is supposedly baseline stronger except he can not dynamically increase even though most people should consider Savage Hulk stronger.
Like most things in comic the distinction between Thor and the Hulk is dynamic and fluid.
Heck Thor performed a smaller but comparable version of the WBH feat against Gor.
So I will give the same assessment I have always given in these circumstances. The Hulk is stronger than Thor and due to the nature of the Hulk he probably always going to have the H2H advantage due to durability, healing, and strength. Thor is comparable though in strength and the better HtH combatant. So he will make Hulk work for his wins and may even be able to take a few.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Scan or issue number?He may be more powerful. He was never stronger. Even the weakest of green Hulks, Banner hulk who was unable to get stronger by being angrier stalemated Thor in a contest of strength.
Its in the respect thread, the fight where Thor has Odin nulify Mjolnirs enchantment for a little.
Yes, he is indisputably more powerful.
Oh he was, he proved it in their "first" fight. He also overpowered gray and savage hulk during that mess with Zarko.
Originally posted by leonidas
regardless, it is at least HIGHLY debatable that thor is stronger than hulk. i don't think i've ever seen it said, before now, that hulk apparently can't even BECOME stronger, since when he was at his strongest there were STILL people who said thor could match him in strength. this last week of thor/hulk discussions has been....weird.i'd always figured thor=hulk at regular po'd levels. wwh was always stronger imo, but not by much perhaps, since herc was believed to have still had a chance to take him (though it didn't look like he had TOO much chance....) but once past THAT threshold, forget it. hulk leaves him in the dust--along with pretty well everyone else.
that doesn't mean thor can't win--the hammer is one of comics ultimate plot devices. but saying thor is as STRONG as any hulk ever?? that's completely absurd imo, and using ancient interviews and ideas to support those ideas makes no sense and they have no bearing on current incarnations. hulk is the strongest. really never thought people still questioned that notion. it's a point i would certainly bz, assuming anyone believes that thor can match all of hulk's feats, in ALL his incarnations.
Originally posted by Newjak
To be fair Juggernaut had a good showing against WWH to the point that WWH decided it was better to BFR Cain instead of actually trying to take him on.Heck I would say that was one of Cain's better showing against Hulk overall and it came when Hulk was 'supposed' to be stronger.
I actually hate the Hulk distinctions because honestly at any given time a writer can take a different version of Hulk and give them a feat that is on par or better than what supposedly stronger versions of Hulk have done. And considering the dynamic nature and long history of the character I think it is silly to try and gauge a character's overall strength level base on how well they have done against a certain version of Hulk. Then say another version of Hulk decimates them based on that.
I mean Thor has stalemated an enraged Savage Hulk for hours. Yet he has also stalemated Prof. Hulk who is supposedly baseline stronger except he can not dynamically increase even though most people should consider Savage Hulk stronger.
Like most things in comic the distinction between Thor and the Hulk is dynamic and fluid.
Heck Thor performed a smaller but comparable version of the WBH feat against Gor.
So I will give the same assessment I have always given in these circumstances. The Hulk is stronger than Thor and due to the nature of the Hulk he probably always going to have the H2H advantage due to durability, healing, and strength. Thor is comparable though in strength and the better HtH combatant. So he will make Hulk work for his wins and may even be able to take a few.
Thor stalemated a savage Hulk who wasn't known for strength amping. Englehart didn't show Hulk amping at all in all the Defenders comics he wrote. The dynamic wasn't set in stone at that point.
We saw how Thor fares against a Hulk who grows stronger in Thor 385. He kicked the shit out of him.
Thor might have comparable strength once. These days? Entire Avengers and Agents of Atlas combined couldn't restrain Hulk.
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Originally posted by Damborgson
Its in the respect thread, the fight where Thor has Odin nulify Mjolnirs enchantment for a little.Yes, he is indisputably more powerful.
Oh he was, he proved it in their "first" fight. He also overpowered gray and savage hulk during that mess with Zarko.
Not really, Hulk has been stated to be more powerful than Thor as well.
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Nope. In both scenes he just lifted Hulk over his head. That's not overpowering by any means.
