Thor vs Hulk

Originally posted by abhilegend
Debatable? He has never proved that he has any strength edge against any green hulk.

😂

Thor stalemated a savage Hulk who wasn't known for strength amping. Englehart didn't show Hulk amping at all in all the Defenders comics he wrote. The dynamic wasn't set in stone at that point.

We saw how Thor fares against a Hulk who grows stronger in Thor 385. He kicked the shit out of him.

Thor might have comparable strength once. These days? Entire Avengers and Agents of Atlas combined couldn't restrain Hulk.

http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/1c5c3d71a1
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/95e990e992
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/c9f14c6bd0
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/64dd08731d
Eh? Where in JIM 112 or Avengers 3 he ever overpowered Hulk?

Not really, Hulk has been stated to be more powerful than Thor as well.

http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/c4253e95e7

Nope. In both scenes he just lifted Hulk over his head. That's not overpowering by any means.

Also those scans show the Hulk getting whooped more than anything. Perhaps more scans from those issues show other things but not those scans. He didn't seem to be overpowering anyone. Heck it looked like Thor had no fear of trying to restrain and fight the Hulk H2H in the water.

Originally posted by Newjak
You know that doesn't really discredit what I said. That Hulk's character history is fluid and dynamic. Hence trying to pick and choose variations of the Hulk to say that characters compared to him are weaker than other variations of Hulk isn't always sound. Once again look at Savage Hulk vs Juggernaut and Juggernaut vs WWH.

Well, its just that and you can see savage hulk vs Red Hulk and red hulk vs WWH.

What you are using is decades old showing and assuming the writer of WWH: X-men had IH 172 in his mind. This is savage hulk/WWH. Rulk thrashed Savage Hulk nearly every time including draining him completely to the point he was unable to Hulk up again for a whole year. WWH straight up overpowered him after Rulk tried to drain him.

Red Hulk
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Savage Hulk vs Red Hulk, from Hulk #4:
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Savage Hulk and Odinforce Thor vs Red Hulk, from Hulk #6:
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Savage Hulk (w/ Banner's mind) vs Red Hulk again, from Hulk #11:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRulk16Hulk11.jpg
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Savage Hulk vs Red Hulk rematch, from Incredible Hulk #600:
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World War Hulk vs Red Hulk, from Hulk #23:
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And Rulk straight up overpowered Odin Force Thor and stopped a double handed attack with one hand.

Heck, Rulk was straight up beating Hulk after Thor nearly killed him with a surprise attack and following beat down.

Also those scans show the Hulk getting whooped more than anything. Perhaps more scans from those issues show other things but not those scans. He didn't seem to be overpowering anyone. Heck it looked like Thor had no fear of trying to restrain and fight the Hulk H2H in the water.

There are two teams fighting Hulk alone. You think Thor can fight Hulk and Namorita along with Avengers and Agents of Atlas?

Be my guest to prove so.

And never forget the "great" showing Thor had against Rulk.

Wait a minute. I keep seeing Juggernaut being mentioned. When has Thor ever had a good showing against a full powered Cain? Also, WWH rebirth. Thor was pushed to the side like he was fodder. Thor strength is not in the league of WWH. I guess I'm not needed in this thread...ABHI has it under control. I just wanted to throw that in there. There are more scans with it being said that Hulk is more powerful than Thor.

Hulk is stronger. Far stronger? Nah.. Too many instances for that to be set in stone.
Hulk in HotM is high end Hulk. No different than Superman's display vs probes during owaw. Or Thor vs Surfer/Warlock during B&T.

There will always be stories in which powerful characters will either be in dire straits or some other stressful situations and yet they won't always perform in a "high end" manner.

Then we have situations in which these guys are in a mildly dire situation if at all, yet on panel they produce a feat that just make you scratch your head. Makes things even more cloudy.

Everything is fluid. In the end it's up to the creative team.

No...Green Scar is high end Hulk, WBH is ridiculous Hulk.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hulk is stronger? Far stronger; Nah! Too many instances for that to be set in stone!
Hulk in HotM is high end Hulk? No different than Superman's display vs probes during owaw? Or Thor vs Surfer/Warlock during B&T?

There will always be stories in which powerful characters will either be in dire straits or some other stressful situations and yet they won't always perform in a "high end" manner! Everything is fluid! In the end it's up to the creative team?

Your post takes a confusing turn when I switch all your ending punctuation.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess I'm not needed in this thread...

Or any thread for that matter 🙂

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Or any thread for that matter 🙂

Lol...you're stuck with me until Pr ticks.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...you're stuck with me until Pr ticks.

I don't think he's into marathon dude sucking sessions Carver. 😬

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Your post takes a confusing turn when I switch all your ending punctuation.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Eh? Where in JIM 112 or Avengers 3 he ever overpowered Hulk?

Not really, Hulk has been stated to be more powerful than Thor as well.

http://mynetimages.com/viewimage/c4253e95e7

Nope. In both scenes he just lifted Hulk over his head. That's not overpowering by any means.

Well I'm not taking about statements, Thor's history is undeniably more powerful.

He had to overpower Hulk to do that 👍if Hulk were say, unconscious, then it would be just lifting him. But he had to get past his strength to do what he did.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, its just that and you can see savage hulk vs Red Hulk and red hulk vs WWH.

What you are using is decades old showing and assuming the writer of WWH: X-men had IH 172 in his mind. This is savage hulk/WWH. Rulk thrashed Savage Hulk nearly every time including draining him completely to the point he was unable to Hulk up again for a whole year. WWH straight up overpowered him after Rulk tried to drain him.

And Rulk straight up overpowered Odin Force Thor and stopped a double handed attack with one hand.

Heck, Rulk was straight up beating Hulk after Thor nearly killed him with a surprise attack and following beat down.

There are two teams fighting Hulk alone. You think Thor can fight Hulk and Namorita along with Avengers and Agents of Atlas?

Be my guest to prove so.

People keep touting WWH has completely stronger than Savage Hulk but a writer had Juggernaut perform better against WWH than against Savage.

Thor in his Gor arc unleashed a hammer blow that was comparable to WBH's feat in terms of destruction.

Irregardless I think Savage Hulk wins a HtH battle against Thor.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Well I'm not taking about statements, Thor's history is undeniably more powerful.

Like?

He had to overpower Hulk to do that 👍if Hulk were say, unconscious, then it would be just lifting him. But he had to get past his strength to do what he did.

It shows he is more skilled. Which was the point he made in JIM 112.

Originally posted by Newjak
Once again that is kind of the point. Different characters will vary throughout history based on writers and time.

You know red hulk vs savage hulk and WWH happened under the same writer and in the same freaking title, right?

Rulk thrashed savage Hulk four times. It can't get any clearer than that.

People keep touting WWH has completely stronger than Savage Hulk but a writer had Juggernaut perform better against WWH than against Savage.

No, he didn't.

Thor in his Gor arc unleashed a hammer blow that was comparable to WBH's feat in terms of destruction.

That's such a sad thing to say I don't even know where to start.

Do you think collateral damage is the measuring stick here?

Irregardless I think Savage Hulk wins a HtH battle against Thor.

Good.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hulk is stronger. Far stronger? Nah.. Too many instances for that to be set in stone.
Hulk in HotM is high end Hulk. No different than Superman's display vs probes during owaw. Or Thor vs Surfer/Warlock during B&T.

Not even remotely correct. Superman and Hulk were specifically stated to be holding back their power in their entire life till that point. When they were convinced that their cutting loose will harm nobody innocent, only then they stopped holding back.

It's not coupled with their day to day showings. They are always holding back.

Blood and Thunder Thor was stronger than usual due to a madness inflicted by outside interference i.e Odin's manipulation. He destroyed that madness literally.

He can't access that level of power by any means now.

There will always be stories in which powerful characters will either be in dire straits or some other stressful situations and yet they won't always perform in a "high end" manner.

Then we have situations in which these guys are in a mildly dire situation if at all, yet on panel they produce a feat that just make you scratch your head. Makes things even more cloudy.

Everything is fluid. In the end it's up to the creative team.

This is just nonsense.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...you're stuck with me until Pr ticks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like?

It shows he is more skilled. Which was the point he made in JIM 112.

Are you playing dumb?

Well he's that too of course. What point is that ? It was that the Hulk couldn't understand how he was getting overpowered.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Are you playing dumb?

No, really. Tell me where Thor has looked more powerful than Hulk in comparison.

Not interested in random showings.

Well he's that too of course. What point is that ? It was that the Hulk couldn't understand how he was getting overpowered.

Well, he was never overpowered. So there's that.

Overpowered means what Hulk did to Thor in LTBB. Martian manhunter lifted and slammed HP Doomsday too.

Does that mean he overpowered Doomsday?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not even remotely correct. Superman and Hulk were specifically stated to be holding back their power in their entire life till that point. When they were convinced that their cutting loose will harm nobody innocent, only then they stopped holding back.

It's not coupled with their day to day showings. They are always holding back.

Blood and Thunder Thor was stronger than usual due to a madness inflicted by outside interference i.e Odin's manipulation. He destroyed that madness literally.

He can't access that level of power by any means now.

This is just nonsense.