Spider-man Vs Elijah Snow

No prep. No BFR.
Start point NYC rooftop.

Snow stomps

Hmm. Well, no one's disputed you. Didnt think it was that easy to have Spidey's number. Thanks.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Snow stomps

spidey would web him, snow would freeze it, spidey would hit him once and it would be all over.

Or Snow just freezes his brain.

You're saying Batman has Spider-man level durability?
I know you like listing his gear, but this is new!

meh, there's distance involved with his powers. i'd have to look back at planetary. snow has some good feats--he could def freeze spidey and kill him if he had the chance. spidey would def take some though.

How fast is Snow's reaction be hit Spider-Man before he hits you takes some speed

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, there's distance involved with his powers. i'd have to look back at planetary. snow has some good feats--he could def freeze spidey and kill him if he had the chance. spidey would def take some though.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, there's distance involved with his powers. i'd have to look back at planetary. snow has some good feats--he could def freeze spidey and kill him if he had the chance. spidey would def take some though.

*Cracks knuckles*. Let's go.

Here, he flash freezes an entire street in...seconds? Moments? Either way, it was in the space of a singe panel:

Distance? He froze sections of a field, large enough to be seen from space (with zero to no strain):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2528345-1.png
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2528348-2.png
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2528349-3.png

Speed? He freezes Dracula in mid air as he's leaping for him:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2528390-1.png
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2528392-2.png

Over 500m (KMC standard)., Spidey ain't crossing that distance before Snow freezes him. He could do it lethally, or do a brain freeze.

@riv: yes, I am saying Spidey's internal brain durability is Batman level. Based on their performance against bullets, I am saying it's even arguable that they have the same external durability.

FWIW, that's one of the tougher incarnations of Batman, too.

The distance favors Elijah way too much.

@riv: yes, I am saying Spidey's internal brain durability is Batman level. Based on their performance against bullets, I am saying it's even arguable that they have the same external durability.

Originally posted by riv6672
Nah.
Batman in full gear cant take the punishment Spidey can wearing a body stocking, sorry.
Thanks for the scans, though. As usual you make a great case for your point!
I'm glad you sparked a conversation here.

Hence, basing it purely on bullet performance. Batman has taken shots better than Spiderman has (who usually dances out of the way of them).

Internal durability, I am open to seeing proof of his internal durability being able to stand up to Bats, and more importantly, how it stacks against brain freezes?

Does Elijah get access to all his characters powers at once or just a couple? Guy played Hank Henshaw, combine that with the ring and it's lights out for piderman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Over 500m (KMC standard)., Spidey ain't crossing that distance before Snow freezes him. He could do it lethally, or do a brain freeze.

Sure, he could freeze the battlefield before Spidey reached him, but I don't recall Elijah ever using heat subtraction on a person that wasn't literally right next to him(if I am wrong here, please correct me.) For that reason, I don't see him inextricably freezing Spidey from 500m out.

That being said, Elijah has never faced an opponent remotely as fast as Spidey. If we're using the comic you selected some of your scans from, then Elijah couldn't even avoid/freeze Batarangs from close distance:
http://i.imgur.com/Dl9sNIb.jpg
So it's hard to see him avoiding/freezing a much faster onslaught from Spidey. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
You're stretching Elijah's powers a bit, imo.

Sure, he could freeze the battlefield before Spidey reached him, but I don't recall Elijah ever using heat subtraction on a person that wasn't literally right next to him(if I am wrong here, please correct me.) For that reason, I don't see him inextricably freezing Spidey's brain from 500m out.

That being said, Elijah has never faced an opponent remotely as fast as Spidey. If we're using the comic you selected some of your scans from, then Elijah couldn't even avoid/freeze Batarangs:
http://i.imgur.com/Dl9sNIb.jpg
So it's hard to see him avoiding/freezing a much faster onslaught from Spidey.

He used it against Dracula, who was leaping at him (but not right next to him).

I'm not saying the bell rings, and he freezes him out. I'm saying that the closer Spidey gets to him, the easier it is to freeze him.

500m, kinda negates Spidey's speed advantage. If he closes the distance, Elijah can freeze him.

He COULD try keeping his distance, but based on Snow's range (which has been > 500m), and the lack of info, kinda makes it hard for Spidey.

Elijah freezing Dracula as he was leaping toward him is pretty much your best piece of evidence... But a featless/random version of Dracula =/= Spidey. All that tells us is that he can freeze Spidey IF he gets the chance.

But again, Elijah couldn't avoid Batarangs at close distance, so we know his perception/reaction speeds are certainly not meta-class by any means... Spidey's obviously are.

Point being: this is definitely NOT a clear-cut win for Elijah.

Originally posted by Galan007
Elijah freezing Dracula as he was leaping toward him is pretty much your best piece of evidence... But a featless/random version of Dracula =/= Spidey. All that tells us is that he can freeze Spidey IF he gets the chance.

But again, Elijah couldn't avoid Batarangs at close distance, so we know his perception/reaction speeds are certainly not meta-class by any means... Spidey's obviously are.

Point being: this is definitely NOT a clear-cut win for Elijah.

Batarangs also don't possess heat to suck 😛 AFAIK, he's not like Iceman, able to throw up ice shields, right?

And to borrow h1's analogy (god, I h8 myself right now), having something from far away move at speed towards you is vastly different from having it move at the same speed in front of your face.

Baseball players react to balls thrown at 90mph from ~60m. I can react to a car barreling towards me at 200mph from 500m (that's ~90metres/s, so I have ~5seconds to leap).

But I can't react to a fist thrown at 25mph, if it's right next to me.

So, battle starts at 500m - I really haven't seen any speed feats of Spidey to suggest he can make up that distance before Elijah can get the chance to freeze.

Snow has the range (the '4' on the field). He has the speed (the entire street in a single panel, in 3 dimensions). Spidey leaping towards him would only make it easier, no?

Spidey COULD keep the distance, and web. But that sacrifices his speed advantage, and again, sniping from 500m gives Snow ample chance to dodge.

The fact that Elijah couldn't avoid the Batarangs simply tells us that he only possesses human-ish perception/reaction speed(for a point of comparison, Jakita dodged them casually.) That's pretty important when he's facing an opponent as fast as Spidey.

Elijah freezing the battlefield is cool and all, but it wouldn't really hinder Spidey, so it's a moot tactic. Imo.

The point is that Elijah has never used heat reduction to freeze someone who wasn't within a few feet of him(again, if I'm not remembering a specific feat please show me.) This is important because if he has to wait until Spidey gets that close before he tries offensively freezing him, then it comes down to whether or not he can react/freeze Spidey before Spidey bludgeons/webs the shit out of him. Essentially: human perception/reaction vs. meta perception/reaction.

Not saying Elijah can't win, but it's certainly not a clear-cut case, imo.