Originally posted by RealityWarper
I gave this exemple to show how silly your claim was.The point is that it's as stupid pretending that Jimmy Olsen can beat Galactus as pretending that Superman can punch 300 times per second. That's exactly the same idiotic claim.
You really don't understand anything, pal.
Oooooh too bad. 🙁
Yeah I was wrong about Barry Allen not being the same guy in the pre and the new 52.
Which doesn't change the fact that Barry Allen get surrounded by a crowd of 48 guys and has to run through them because his combat speed is too low.
That's a fact, bub.
Sadly for your claims, even a street-leveler like Mark Millar's Nemesis performed better against a crowd of 100 similar guys by killing them all in the same amount of 4 pages.
You'll get stomped, concessions accepted 👆
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You'll get stomped, concessions accepted 👆
Concession accepted on what ?
I compared your claim to one as bad at it.
In what that makes me stomped ?
You don't understand anything, bub.
You said :
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElExcuse me? But I haven't insulted you so far, having spent so many months on comic vine (not that I politely care) should have given you a pretty good idea that not everybody will agree with your ideas.
And thanks but to me being capable of catching 300 random traveling bullets in a second it logically means I can punch you 300 times in a second, no need to listen to someone who does not follows the basic rules for debating or follows simple logic.
And I utterly mocked the fallacies of your argumentory when I said :
A character created one way don't become suddendly fast.Your reasoning is fallacious because you basically say that because something didn't happen it can happen when the character is created one way.
Basically going by your logic I could say that :
"Jimmy Olsen can beat Galactus"
And always by your logic it can happen because nothing NEW appeared until now that disproven it.
Sorry but Comic Book characters don't suddenly spontaneously change the way they are designed / written.
Superman is slow in all fights therefore he is a slow fighter.
Period.
EXPLANATIONS FOR DUMMIES :
You are trying to disprove what is in the comics AKA Superman's feats in combat that shows him slow, that Superman is fast via showing him in out-of-combat situations...
Which is fallacious and illogical.
And you answered :
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElYou didn't even get the idea.
I dare you to prove (not by a explicit scan of jimmy defeating a galactus level entity under his own power) but, by other proof or argument that jimmy olsen can beat galactus
Enlight us
And that is exactly the point, bub :
YOU CAN'T PROVE VIA OTHER MEANS THAT A CHARACTER IS FAST IN A GIVEN SITUATION WHEN HIS SHOWINGS PROVES HIM SLOW IN THE GIVEN SITUATION.
I put that in big characters so you don't avoid seeing it.
So basically you recognize that your own argument is a total fallcy.
I'm glad that you understand your mistake.
Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.
You said with this reasoning you can prove Olsen can beat galactus. Prove it.
I can create the thread for you to prove it, you won't accept because you will get stomped, pretty much like in your claim that Flash wasn't the same flash.
You should learn how to make logical arguments, so far you are failing worse than the french army trying to conquer Mexico 👆
Originally posted by RealityWarperjust more rambling again.
I perfectly know what I'm talking about.Yeah and I showed Sentry stomping Molecule Man and that's enough of an argument.
I perfectly know that interview, he said that Sentry only believed that he has Molecule Man's powers. Guess what, the other side of the coin is the power to manipulate the reality, which is Sentry's power as said by Paul Jenkins and on his site Bendis said that he used Sentry in the same way that Jenkins did... On top of that I already shown that Bendis compared Sentry to Scarlet Witch and he did it 3 times, including Tony Stark's report in the "Civil War Files"...Tom Brevoort is the editor of Marvel and to Marvel you are nothing.
We can compare feats from Thanos & Sentry everytime you want.
Just for the record : no use of toys like the Infinity Gauntlet or Cosmic Cubes. They aren't part of Thanos abilities, nor his standard gear.
Coming from you whom believe that Superman can punch 300 times per second even when he struggle landing one punch per panel.
Superman's feats proves you wrong everytime but ok.
Tom B is nothing here, learn the rules.
Anytime you want.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; [b]this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.You said with this reasoning you can prove Olsen can beat galactus. Prove it.
I can create the thread for you to prove it, you won't accept because you will get stomped, pretty much like in your claim that Flash wasn't the same flash.
You should learn how to make logical arguments, so far you are failing worse than the french army trying to conquer Mexico 👆 [/B]
Nope.
Your argument is wrong because it is not supported nor by feats, nor by the way the character is created.
You can shout out your fancy "Agumentum ad logicam" it doesn't make your case stronger.
Your problem is that you pretend that your argument in logical because the word "speed" appears in both claims.
Your claim is basically :
"Superman can punch 300 times per second because he can catch 300 bullets" is EXACTLY the same fallacious reasoning.
You basically say that nothing can prove you wrong because Superman use speed in both case EVEN the use of the speed is different in both case...
My point is exactly the same since the beginning :
I can't prove that Jimmy Olsen can beat Galactus NOR you can prove that Superman can punch 300 times per seconds...
Hell, you have literally zero understanding, pal.
By the way :
INTERCEPTING a projectile and PUNCHING something are TWO DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic
logic play
noun log·ic \ˈlä-jik\
Simple Definition of logic
: a proper or reasonable way of thinking about or understanding something
: a particular way of thinking about something
: the science that studies the formal processes used in thinking and reasoning
You pretend to have a logical conclusion but your whole reasoning is falalcious.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
just more rambling again.Tom B is nothing here, learn the rules.
Anytime you want.
Ok pal.
Let's go :
Sentry feats :
Just for the record Death Seed Sentry = stable Sentry = Void in power, the Death Seed just unlocked Sentry's mind and made him stable.
As both characters are fighting at the best of their abilities I will consider that Sentry is stable and only put his best feats in here.
*Griping / lifting strength*
Sentry block Exitar's descent then carry his body, once the Planet-sized Celestial is dead into space at MFTL speeds.
*Striking power*
Sentry hit Thor while holding back and shook an entire planet of nineteen billions sentinent creatures.
Sentry two-shot Thor with his punches while holding back.
*Energy projection*
Sentry one-shot Thor with an energy projection while holding back.
Sentry's energies destroys multiple worlds in the Microverse while holding back.
*Energy absorption*
Sentry can draw energy from everywhere and anywhere.
He absorbed Photon's energies able to destroy entire worlds without a scratch.
*Durability*
Sentry durability weavers according to his wish but we saw him completely no-sell attacks from Genis-Vell, the Thing, etc...
In Uncanny Avengers he reveals that he don't need his body to live.
*Regeneration / Immortality*
Sentry can't die and can regenerate his body quasi-instantly.
*Travel speed*
Sentry's flight at warp speeds and is so fast that his velocity can make Thor pass out.
Thor is used to travel at MFTL speeds thanks to Mjolnir.
*Combat speed & skill*
They are at human-level. I think that Thanos is more skilled but it doesn't matter according to the vast difference in raw power between both.
*Reality / Molecule Manipulation*
Interchangeable terms for Marvel.
Sentry is said 3 times to be on par with HOM Scarlet Witch.
One time to have literally the potential to "Unlimited psionic ability".
Sentry subdued and one-shotted Molecule Man once he understood that he could warp the reality.
That pretty summarize how Sentry is vastly more powerful than Thanos and he don't even need to have a support like Death to do it.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Nope.Your argument is wrong because it is not supported nor by feats, nor by the way the character is created.
You can shout out your fancy "Agumentum ad logicam" it doesn't make your case stronger.
Your problem is that you pretend that your argument in logical because the word "speed" appears in both claims.
Your claim is basically :
"Superman can punch 300 times per second because he can catch 300 bullets" is EXACTLY the same fallacious reasoning.
You basically say that nothing can prove you wrong because Superman use speed in both case EVEN the use of the speed is different in both case...
My point is exactly the same since the beginning :
[B]I can't prove that Jimmy Olsen can beat Galactus NOR you can prove that Superman can punch 300 times per seconds...
Hell, you have literally zero understanding, pal.
By the way :
INTERCEPTING a projectile and PUNCHING something are TWO DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/logic
logic play
noun log·ic \ˈlä-jik\
Simple Definition of logic: a proper or reasonable way of thinking about or understanding something
: a particular way of thinking about something
: the science that studies the formal processes used in thinking and reasoning
You pretend to have a logical conclusion but your whole reasoning is falalcious. [/B]
Lol you dense
"This reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition."
Meaning that I can prove with OTHER proof or argument that Superman can punch 300 times in a second.
Ie: Superman grabbing bullets at superspeed, superman undressing and dressing batman with out batman noticing it.
I have OTHER proof or argument that proves my point.
You on the other hand would NOT be able to prove by OTHER proof or argument (because there is no scan of olsen defeating a galactus level being) because there is no OTHER proof or argument to back your case.
In Superman's case there is OTHER proof or argument to prove he has superspeed reflexes and can punch at those speed
In your sad case there is no OTHER proof or argument to prove that Olsen can defeat Galactus.
See the difference? You should probably stop eating snails, you are drooling too much
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol I am dense
I know
"This reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition."
Meaning that I can prove with OTHER proof or argument that Superman can punch 300 times in a second.
Ie: Superman grabbing bullets at superspeed, superman undressing and dressing batman with out batman noticing it.I have OTHER proof or argument that proves my point.
Yeah sure and Superman get tagged by slow bricks and outsped by street-levelers like Shadowdragon...
Too bad your "proof" is disproven by feats that PROVES that your reasoning is fallacious and that the speed of the feat X doesn't transfer to the feat Y.
You on the other hand would NOT be able to prove by OTHER proof or argument (because there is no scan of olsen defeating a galactus level being) because there is no OTHER proof or argument to back your case.
Yeah and there is NO SCAN of Superman hitting someone 300 times per second especially when he never hit something more than 5 times in a panel for the PC Superman.
So that's EXACTLY a fallacious reasoning on the same level than yours.
My point is EXACTLY that you can't prove it in both cases.
In Superman's case there is OTHER proof or argument to prove he has superspeed reflexes and can punch at those speed
And that's a fallacious reasoning again, because a speed feat in one domain don't gives you a speed feat in another domain.
In your sad case there is no OTHER proof or argument to prove that Olsen can defeat Galactus.
In your sad case, there is plenty of proof that Superman CAN'T punch 300 times per second.
That's even worse.
You can see ON PANEL Superman's combat speed but hey why not making a fan-fictive interpretation of the character isn't it ?
Do you see me overhyping out-of-combat feats of the Sentry ?
No, because contrary to you I am logical when you are illogical and stick with your double standards.
See the difference? You should probably stop eating snails, you are drooling too much
I see.
You have like zero logic.
You don't even know the difference between intercepting and punching.
The fact that you are picky about Superman's feats and only chose to take those that you like, while creating fan-fictions with them, and ignore Superman's showings in combat proves your extreme fanboyism.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
*BONUS QUESTION*
Batman can see bullets in slow motion and blocked 8 bullets in one move.
I guess that pretty much proves that he has super-speed in another domain than in hand-to-hand according to your logic (except if you can prove that a regular human can perceive and block bullets with his bare-hands, of course).
SO
How many times per second can Batman attack according to your "logic" ?
You gave the number of 300 for Superman so I expect you to give me a precise number here too with a detailed explanation, of course. 🙂)))
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I know
that is like a kinder level comeback
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Yeah sure and Superman get tagged by slow bricks and outsped by street-levelers like Shadowdragon...Too bad your "proof" is disproven by feats that PROVES that your reasoning is fallacious and that the speed of the feat X doesn't transfer to the feat Y.
I know reading and logic are not your forte, but maybe you should read the rules about PLOT INDUCED STUPIDITY (I am SURE you will connect with that one) and CIS
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Yeah and there is NO SCAN of Superman hitting someone 300 times per second especially when he never hit something more than 5 times in a panel for the PC Superman.So that's EXACTLY a fallacious reasoning on the same level than yours.
But there is OTHER proof or argument that backs up my reasoning.
So Superman can undress and dress Batman with Batman incapable to react and somehow he can't punch him 300 times? 😂
READ CIS AND PIS
Originally posted by RealityWarper
My point is EXACTLY that you can't prove it in both cases.
Wrong!
YOU can't prove your case
I can because I have OTHER proof or argument that he can, like stripping a guy's armor in pieces before he can react but according to you He can't punch him? 😂
Originally posted by RealityWarper
And that's a fallacious reasoning again, because a speed feat in one domain don't gives you a speed feat in another domain.
Moving your hands at superspeed does not mean you can punch at the same speed? Your argument is weaker than the French army vs Germany.
Explain is a logical manner how is it possible that a guy who can paint a whole apartment in less the blink of an eye cannot punch you 300 time
Originally posted by RealityWarper
In your sad case, there is plenty of proof that Superman CAN'T punch 300 times per second.That's even worse.
You can see ON PANEL Superman's combat speed but hey why not making a fan-fictive interpretation of the character isn't it ?
Do you see me overhyping out-of-combat feats of the Sentry ?
No, because contrary to you I am logical when you are illogical and stick with your double standards.
Sad case? oh the irony.
There is plenty of evidence that Superman has and can move his hands at super speed therefore LOGICALLY we can say that he can punch you 300 times in a second
On Sentry Your HALF THRUTH fallacies are noted, don't worry, We see them.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I see.You have like zero logic.
You don't even know the difference between intercepting and punching.
If I can intercept 600 bullets I can at least punch you 300 times
Oh but tha is not logical right? 😂
Originally posted by RealityWarperThe fact that you are picky about Superman's feats and only chose to take those that you like, while creating fan-fictions with them, and ignore Superman's showings in combat proves your extreme fanboyism.
This is just you crying, no worth responding.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
*BONUS QUESTION*Batman can see bullets in slow motion and blocked 8 bullets in one move.
I guess that pretty much proves that he has super-speed in another domain than in hand-to-hand according to your logic (except if you can prove that a regular human can perceive and block bullets with his bare-hands, of course).
SO
[B]How many times per second can Batman attack according to your "logic" ?
You gave the number of 300 for Superman so I expect you to give me a precise number here too with a detailed explanation, of course. 🙂))) [/B]
That is a False dichotomy dum dum 😂
This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.
Example: “Bullets travels at relativistic speed. If bullets are heading towards you, either you’ll can’t move that fast and you’ll be hit, or you can move that fast and you can block or dodge it. Batman blocked bullets, so therefore Batman can move at relativistic speed.”
The person in this example ignores the possibility that Batman could have seen the cop preping up his attack before he actually fired it and set up her defense in advance.
Ahahahahahaha owned big time 👆
Originally posted by Rao Kal Elthat is like a kinder level comeback
Against a two cents argumentory from a two-bit poster
I know reading and logic are not your forte, but maybe you should read the rules about PLOT INDUCED STUPIDITY (I am SURE you will connect with that one) and CIS
Superman being tagged all the time by street-leveler and hit all the time is not PIS.
That just your interpretation of the character which is biased and your reading skills that are inexistant.
But there is OTHER proof or argument that backs up my reasoning.So Superman can undress and dress Batman with Batman incapable to react and somehow he can't punch him 300 times? 😂
READ CIS AND PISWrong!
YOU can't prove your case
I can because I have OTHER proof or argument that he can, like stripping a guy's armor in pieces before he can react but according to you He can't punch him? 😂
Scan of Superman hitting someone 300 times per second please.
Moving your hands at superspeed does not mean you can punch at the same speed? Your argument is weaker than the French army vs Germany.
No it doesn't.
Moving is different than punching.
Explain is a logical manner how is it possible that a guy who can paint a whole apartment in less the blink of an eye cannot punch you 300 time
It's a comic book and even in real life a feat speed in one domain isn't transferable to another domain.
In both cases your logic sucks.
Sad case? oh the irony.There is plenty of evidence that Superman has and can move his hands at super speed therefore LOGICALLY we can say that he can punch you 300 times in a second
Yaddah yaddah.
Ok, show me a feat of Superman actually doing that.
On Sentry Your HALF THRUTH fallacies are noted, don't worry, We see them.
Rofl.
Everything that I said is literally written the way I said it in the comics.
You on the other hands literally make-up everything.
If I can intercept 600 bullets I can at least punch you 300 times
Oh but tha is not logical right? 😂
No.
Especially when Superman uses his flying speed to grab the bullets on passage.
It seems that your awesome logic didn't noticed a point that 5 years old could understand.
This is just ME crying, no worth responding. [/B]
You are ignoring Superman's combat speed because they all destroys your fallacious logic.
By the way I'm waiting for you to quote and answer to my post with the bonus question.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That is a False dichotomy dum dum 😂This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.
Example: “Bullets travels at relativistic speed. If bullets are heading towards you, either you’ll can’t move that fast and you’ll be hit, or you can move that fast and you can block or dodge it. Batman blocked bullets, so therefore Batman can move at relativistic speed.”
The person in this example ignores the possibility that Batman could have seen the cop preping up his attack before he actually fired it and set up her defense in advance.
Ahahahahahaha owned big time 👆
Nope.
That's called double standards.
According to your logic, Superman grabbing X bullets could be able to punch X times per seconds.
I will quote one of your last wonder again :
If I can intercept 600 bullets I can at least punch you 300 timesOh but tha is not logical right? laughing out loud
So again :
*BONUS QUESTION*
Batman can see bullets in slow motion and blocked 8 bullets in one move.
I guess that pretty much proves that he has super-speed in another domain than in hand-to-hand according to your logic (except if you can prove that a regular human can perceive and block bullets with his bare-hands, of course).
SO
How many times per second can Batman attack according to your "logic" ?
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82971/2574804-1048550_batbulletblock_super.jpg
You gave the number of 300 for Superman so I expect you to give me a precise number here too with a detailed explanation, of course.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I am done with your idiocy at this point you bore me
The fallacies of your own "logic" and the incredible level of your bias and your double standards have been largely exposed in that thread.
I accept your surrender.
Originally posted by SquallX
I honestly don't see why you kept going.About you challenge him to a BZ. He brings he's evidence, and you beings yours.
He won't
I can make it a poll
I prove that Superman has super speed reflexes and that he logically can punch 300 times in a second
He has to prove that Olse can beat Galactus according to him my logic is so fallacious that He can do that.
We post a poll, but he will probably run away scared and won't accept
The dum dum cannot wants to use fallacies with out using logic when one of the first rules to spot fallacies is to use logic, is just a simple rule.
To form logical conclusions you have to use true premises when you don't use true premises you form fallacies, that is what he does.
Originally posted by SquallX
I honestly don't see why you kept going.About you challenge him to a BZ. He brings he's evidence, and you beings yours.
He is actually posting in a BS.
His bias and double standards have been largely exposed by the Batman's scan.
So are yours...
I guess that a BZ is very comfortable when you have an already convinced public sharing the same flaws.
