Void/Sentry vs Darkseid...

Originally posted by RealityWarper
There is no false dichotomy.

It needs an amount of super-speed to block all bullets and superior-reflexes to see where the bullets will hit and counter them accordingly.

An aim-dodge or aim-block isn't a sufficient explanation to block 8 bullets coming at an human being.

You are basically avoiding the question like the little coward that you are.

Again :

Batman blocked 8 bullets and according to you a character having "super speed reflexes", which Batman proven right in the instance, can hit at super-speed so :

How many punches Batman can throw per seconds according to your logic ?

Stop avoiding the question and searching excuses.

Your claim is just exposed in all of his fallacy.

I have to say I admire your strategy. You are essentially saying "well gee if a person who shows super speed can punch at super speed then does another person who shows super speed have the ability to punch at super speed?".

Just think of how much sense that makes. I get it, you want to go "ha so Batman has super speed" and yeah, if he'd consistently be shown as a bullet timer who could move his arms quick enough to block bullets I'd say he could throw a punch far quicker then any human. The problem is Batman is consistently more an aim dodger.

Compare it to the version of Batgirl who had legit bullet timing feats, multiple ones. What other feats did she have? Well, she punched Batman so quickly he didn't notice she'd done anything at all until he noticed his nose was bleeding. It's as if someone who showed super speed in a way could use it in a fight..I know, shocking.

Originally posted by Surtur
I have to say I admire your strategy. You are essentially saying "well gee if a person who shows super speed can punch at super speed then does another person who shows super speed have the ability to punch at super speed?".

Just think of how much sense that makes. I get it, you want to go "ha so Batman has super speed" and yeah, if he'd consistently be shown as a bullet timer who could move his arms quick enough to block bullets I'd say he could throw a punch far quicker then any human. The problem is Batman is consistently more an aim dodger.

Compare it to the version of Batgirl who had legit bullet timing feats, multiple ones. What other feats did she have? Well, she punched Batman so quickly he didn't notice she'd done anything at all until he noticed his nose was bleeding. It's as if someone who showed super speed in a way could use it in a fight..I know, shocking.

I'm just asking him to elaborate his fallacious reasoning without the usual double standards he showed in every posts.

I'm literally asking him to have the balls to assume his fallacious reasoning in a similar case.

As I previously said he is picky about Superman's feat as he literally chosen to ignore Supes combat feats which shows him slow.

No amount of bullshit fan-fictions he has spread trough that thread will change that.

Superman can't punch 300 times per seconds no matter what you try to stretch out-of-combat speed feats which are irrelevant to Superman's combat speed.

Period.

He has feats that show him as slow because that is the way comics work. He has plenty of speed feats.

Reallyatroll Frenchies cannot talk about balls especially when they dogde BZ and polls 😂

Btw

False dichotomy dum dum

Concessions acepted 💃

Originally posted by Insane Titan
It was a shared feat with Rogue, plus it doesn't add much to him in battle

It shows Sentry's griping strength.

In physics, when you isolate a system and that one of the force applied is insignificant, it's considered equal to zero.

Rogue was just one part of the plan but her presence was useless as her attempt to even slow down Exitar was literally insignificant so the force she applied can be considered equal to zero.

All the power combined of all heroes in Earth is still inferior to Sentry's and that put him leagues above Thanos.

At this point, it's totally possible for Sentry to rip Thanos in half with his bare-hands.

you need to learn collateral impact means nothing.

Thanos has put Thor down with the same amount of shots in Infinty and that was after tanking lighting amped hammer shots

Wrong. Thanos needed to punch Thor seven times to have a similar effect and it was Thanos maximum damage output.

On top of that Thor kicked Thanos' ass in blood & thunder.

Thanos sent a fell fed Galactus flying hundred off yards with a blast.

Galactus kicked his ass after with one blast that pierced Thanos' shields.

Learn the context of the feats that you are trying to use.

He also floored all the avengers with his avengers when he started to let loose.

What are you talking about ?

In what it's relevant ?

A young Thanos with no control of his powers blasted a hole through the abstract Death.

Thor blasted a hole through Mikaboshi without damage too.

Irrelevant.

Thanos can draw energy from everywhere as stated several times including accult Magic.

Scan please.

Thanos has no energy abosorption abilities.

Thanos absorbed the heart of the universe.

This comic book is not canon and the heart of the Universe is an artefact.

thanos has no sold at from both of them,

About the Thing I trust you but I doubt that Thanos faced the Genis-Vell fused with his Nega-bands that Sentry faced. This Genis was on the verge to destroy the Universe.

also Silver Surfer,Ronan, Lord Marvell,

Quite good. Still below everything that I showed here.

tanked 3 Black Bolt screams

Black Bolts' screams were inferior in power to Genis-Vell energy projection when he attacked Sentry in the microverse.

and tanked a shot from Odin.

Good feat too but Thanos isn't on Odin's level and lost the fight.

He also forced his way through Odins Gungnir concentrated blasts

Still lost. He's not on Odin's level.

Thanos immortal too

and heals from being reality warped.

He healed from having the cancerverse sword plunged X through his chest/heart which was powered by the gods of a universe and it killed a alternate reality Death.

Thanos shown multiple times he reacts to ppl traveling at such speeds ie fallen one and Gladiator . He can block or teleport them

Thanos has no feats against a bullrush at MFTL speeds like Sentry did to Thor but if you have a scan please show.

I totally can see Sentry rushing Thanos the same way, grabbing him by the neck and poping his head off with no effort.

how wrong you are.

How out-of-context you are, bub.

Thanos resisted and overcame the nexus of reality trying to warp him in 9 different way.

That's nothing comparable to being attacked by Molecule Man.

Yet he has never shown it once.

Beating Molecule Man at his own game without breaking a sweat literally shows that he is beyond him ESPECIALLY because he beat Owen without training at all.

Thanos beat the Maker(Beyonder) who's madness had past and she had to power to reverse the crunch energies and restart the universe

The Maker was vulnerable and depowered.

The Maker was Kosmos in a weakened form.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/kosmoscube.htm

(Thanos#10 (fb) - BTS) - When the essence of the Beyonder made another resurgence, Kosmos took mortal form for unexplained reasons and via unknown means, . However, the resulting diminished capacities combined with the unchecked rush of insignificant sensations drove her headlong into madness. The mortal Kosmos, now more commonly known as the Maker, traveled to the Shiar agrarian settlement Eru 7, where she slew all 64, 000 residents under unspecified circumstances.

(Thanos#10) - Having survived the energy pulse, Thanos encountered Skreet, who sought vengeance on the Maker for the psychic pain she had caused. Skreet accompanied Thanos to confront the Maker and then attacked her, leading to a two-against-one battle with the Maker. With the Maker in mortal form, Thanos proved able to best her, using his own psychic powers to shut down her mind. She was kept alive with her body serving as a living prison for the Beyonder's madness. It was reasoned that if she were slain the Beyonder would be unleashed upon the universe again. The Maker was set up with neurology-exempt nanocellular tissue regeneration, which would keep the body living indefinitely while leaving the mind inert.

Thanos #10

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The scans explain that The Beyonder took on mortal form and made himself vulnerable.

Thanos Vs Kosmos

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Thanos defeat Kosmos at first physically by shooting her with energy blast and hiting her with his fists.

Then he shut down her mind with a psionic attack.

Kosmos don't display the same level of power than Molecule Man during Dark Avengers who seems to have no limits as he destroys Sentry's physical form 3 times, manipulate Osborn memories & say that he could manipulate his genetics easily, and effortlessly stomps the whole Dark Avengers team while teleporting them at different locations.

Moreover Sentry casually overpower Molecule Man so he can affect others but not him.
That's two totally different context.

Do you pretend that Thanos is on par with Sentry, Molecule Man and The Beyonder now ?

you need to try harder.

It's not hard at all.

You are throwing feats at my face and don't know the context.

Hell, you spread the bullshit that Molecule Man was weakened or depowered when even it's not the case BUT you avoid the context of the Maker which is truly stated to be vulnerable and a shadow of his former-self on panel...

You are a champion at making fan-fiction, pal.

Thanos before he was upgrade by Death he was one shotting ppl that were tearing stars in half and just from testing strength against each other it was destroying a planet

I guess that you are refering to Thanos first fight against Drax the Destroyer.

Yeah that's cool.

Classic Drax using his scream at max power can destroy a planet and Sentry do it while holding back.

Yeah I know that they destroyed a planet as a side effect of their fight.

And ?

Currently Thanos needs to use anti-matter bombs to destroy planets.

He didn't destroy even one under his own power during the Secret Wars.

Originally posted by Surtur
He has feats that show him as slow because that is the way comics work. He has plenty of speed feats.

Ok.

Show me a combat feat of Clark punching 300 times per second.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Reallyatroll Frenchies cannot talk about balls especially when they dogde BZ and polls 😂

Btw

False dichotomy dum dum

Concessions acepted 💃

Your claims are based on the fan-fictions you are making-up.

Too bad the writers & editors actually thinks the opposite.

Just yield son.

It's a battle that you can't win.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Your claims are based on the fan-fictions you are making-up.

Too bad the writers & editors actually thinks the opposite.

Just yield son.

It's a battle that you can't win.

Reallyatroll fallacy #1:
Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.

Example:
Reallyatroll: "Wha! Wha! Superman cannot punch at superspeed because there is no scans of him dong it 🙁 "

The troll ignores that there is OTHER proof or argument that supports Superman having superspeed like undressing and dressing batman with out batman even noticing it

Reallyatroll fallacy #2

That is a False dichotomy dum dum

This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.

Example: “Bullets travels at relativistic speed. If bullets are heading towards you, either you’ll can’t move that fast and you’ll be hit, or you can move that fast and you can block or dodge it. Batman blocked bullets, so therefore Batman can move at relativistic speed.”

The person in this example ignores the possibility that Batman could have seen the cop preping up his attack before he actually fired it and set up her defense in advance.

Oh and I forgot

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Originally posted by RealityWarper
It shows Sentry's griping strength.

In physics, when you isolate a system and that one of the force applied is insignificant, it's considered equal to zero.

Rogue was just one part of the plan but her presence was useless as her attempt to even slow down Exitar was literally insignificant so the force she applied can be considered equal to zero.

All the power combined of all heroes in Earth is still inferior to Sentry's and that put him leagues above Thanos.

At this point, it's totally possible for Sentry to rip Thanos in half with his bare-hands.

And ?

Currently Thanos needs to use anti-matter bombs to destroy planets.

He didn't destroy even one under his own power during the Secret Wars.

Seeing as you've tried to lowball. sentry got hurt by his dog biting him, owned by a hellicarrier, ko'd by Blue Marvel the list goes on

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Reallyatroll fallacy #1:
Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.

Example:
Reallyatroll: "Wha! Wha! Superman cannot punch at superspeed because there is no scans of him dong it 🙁 "

The troll ignores that there is OTHER proof or argument that supports Superman having superspeed like undressing and dressing batman with out batman even noticing it

Reallyatroll fallacy #2

That is a False dichotomy dum dum

This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.

Example: “Bullets travels at relativistic speed. If bullets are heading towards you, either you’ll can’t move that fast and you’ll be hit, or you can move that fast and you can block or dodge it. Batman blocked bullets, so therefore Batman can move at relativistic speed.”

The person in this example ignores the possibility that Batman could have seen the cop preping up his attack before he actually fired it and set up her defense in advance.

1)

There is literal proof on panel that Superman is outspeed by street-levelers.

Superman can't land a single punch on a street-leveler.

The street-leveler is faster than him.

Superman admit it on panel.

Your fallacious logic falls.

2)

I was just mocking your logic.

It's strange that you have double standards for similar cases.

Yeah you're a definite troll

2 things:

You don't have proof that Superman was fighting at his top speed in those scans (or do you?). He doubled his speed - but that is not (or is it? Proof?) his top speed.

Secondly, you may have missed it in the small details, but Deathstroke says how the sword is amping him up - AND that it matches whatever is thrown at it. Then doubles it.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Yeah you're a definite troll

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
2 things:

You don't have proof that Superman was fighting at his top speed in those scans (or do you?). He doubled his speed - but that is not (or is it? Proof?) his top speed.

Secondly, you may have missed it in the small details, but Deathstroke says how the sword is amping him up - AND that it matches whatever is thrown at it. Then doubles it.

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@Reallyatroll

You failed miserably again

Shadow dragon reflexes are speed of thought 😂
Of course you will ignore that because it screws your argument

And you forgot again the rules of pis and cis. No surprise here seeing how a mod had to step 3 times to adress you on what if issues even though the whole furum already told you about it. So no surprise that someome so mentally challenged as your self will need to be explained SEVERAL times something over and over again.

Also

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Reallyatroll fallacy #1:
Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.

Example:
Reallyatroll: "Wha! Wha! Superman cannot punch at superspeed because there is no scans of him dong it 🙁 "

The troll ignores that there is OTHER proof or argument that supports Superman having superspeed like undressing and dressing batman with out batman even noticing it

Reallyatroll fallacy #2

That is a False dichotomy dum dum

This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.

Example: “Bullets travels at relativistic speed. If bullets are heading towards you, either you’ll can’t move that fast and you’ll be hit, or you can move that fast and you can block or dodge it. Batman blocked bullets, so therefore Batman can move at relativistic speed.”

The person in this example ignores the possibility that Batman could have seen the cop preping up his attack before he actually fired it and set up her defense in advance.

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Originally posted by Insane Titan
bwhahaha rip Thanos in half, stop talking rubbish. sentry got owned by sand bugs

Two-bit lowballing.

Stop lying him floored him after catching his hammer shot.

Rofl.

Fact :

Sentry stomps Thor effortlessly.

Thanos struggle and take damage.

he made Thanos nose bleed a bit that's all. Thanos smiled it off, plus Thor had the power gem and was getting stronger by the minute.

In the same arc Thor punched Drax in the guts and took his power gem.

So far Thanos was incapable to take down Thor the same way.

what happened to Thanos is beside the point we are talking about energy power. Just like how Sentry unleashed all him energy on Hulk and then got his face punched in eh!

Sentry was at weakened by the biggest agoraphobia he suffered in a comic book.

http://www.comicvine.com/sentry/4005-1454/forums/why-sentry-was-weakened-during-the-world-war-hulk--1616734/

You don't know the context and use a depowered version of the Sentry.

playing dumb I see

Your "english" is barely understandable.

Thors not in this discussion so you mentioning is a troll tactic to dismiss stuff

I'm just comparing feats against a similar character.

Sentry swat Thor like a fly.

Thanos struggle against Thor.

read Infinty abyss, even Odin says Thanos draws energy from a dark place

I've infinity Abyss.

In what "drawing energy from a dark place" is an argument ?

Sentry isn't damaged by energies able to destroy entire worlds.

Thanos never showed anything on that order.

are you serious? He's mentioned it several times

Prove it. Scan.

sorry to tell you sport it's canon. It's been shown in at least 5 canon books , eve your pal Tom B said it wasn't canon then said it was

Nice lie. (one more)

Tom B said it is non-canon :

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And then said it is non-canon again :

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lol I don't care if you don't believe me. It's right there on panel when they met Walker the death God.

Proof of it never happened.

You are a champion at avoiding context.

lol Sentry hasn't faced a full power Surfer blast.

His fight against Genis-Vell is far above anything Surfer has done.

and you can prove that how. You just basically say uh huh I don't like that

Show me Black Bolt destroying more than a planet with his voice without amp or device.. Try to prove me wrong.

Nor is sentry. The point is he with stood his attacks

Even the Skyfathers aren't Universal-beings.

Cosmic Cubes like Kubik, the Beyonder & Molecule Man are above the skyfathers in power.

Sentry is above the skyfathers like Odin by far.

Go learn the basics.

see point above. Thanos with stood 2 attacks from magus empowered by 5 Infinty gems

Yaddah yaddah.

Scan & context.

he's barred from her realm .

Yeah and he can't resurrect instantly.

He had to suicide himself in the Infinity Relativity and he was reluctant to do it.

You need to prove that it can be useful in combat.

Drax killed Thanos once by taking out his heart and Thanos was unable to come back where he was killed.

under his own power

Nope.

it didn't straight up kill Thanos like it did to her

It was targeted at Death...

fallen one rushed at them speeds and Ganymede tried to attack at them speeds both got stopped.

Heralds are below Sentry in power and by far.

Prove that they rushed him at MFTL speeds.

lmao that's just total fanboy bias nonsense.

Seeing as you've tried to lowball. sentry got hurt by his dog biting him, owned by a hellicarrier, ko'd by Blue Marvel the list goes on [/QUOTE]

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
2 things:

You don't have proof that Superman was fighting at his top speed in those scans (or do you?). He doubled his speed - but that is not (or is it? Proof?) his top speed.

Secondly, you may have missed it in the small details, but Deathstroke says how the sword is amping him up - AND that it matches whatever is thrown at it. Then doubles it.

It doesn't matter how much Superman can go faster when two scans proves that :

1) Superman can't be faster than he is against Shadowdragon.

2) He is beat by a street-leveler in speed.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

@Reallyatroll

You failed miserably again

Shadow dragon reflexes are speed of thought 😂
Of course you will ignore that because it screws your argument

And you forgot again the rules of pis and cis. No surprise here seeing how a mod had to step 3 times to adress you on what if issues even though the whole furum already told you about it. So no surprise that someome so mentally challenged as your self will need to be explained SEVERAL times something over and over again.

Again :

Shadowdragon, by feats, has demonstrated nothing better than the likes of Spider-man, Batman or Captain America but if you have a feat that Idon't know don't hesitate to post it in the thread instead of whining like a little girl and copy / paste your fallacies.

The PIS and CIS rules, used accordingly, would mean that Superman tagging or outspeeding a character on-par with Shadowdragon is PIS / CIS.

Not your fallacious and 2 years old reasoning.

Yeah it pointless with your dumb ass, TBH is typical Sentry. All you've done is say "no not impressive" or give some bullshit "like scan or didn't happen"

Sentry has one feat that's big and believe it's his average that puts him above Odin and makes him abstract. In general you're a f*cking clown.

Go check KMC HOTU respect thread in which Tom B says it's canon.

Serious question, who can beat Sentry in your opinion.

@Reallyatroll

Going by feats Galactus cannot lift a building with his hands because he does not have any feats like it 😂

Again

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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
@Reallyatroll

Going by feats Galactus cannot lift a building with his hands because he does not have any feats like it 😂

Again

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