DCnU Darkseid Vs Thanos

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Let me explain who Stiltman is gnarlyzoa. And the best way to do that is to use quotes from Will Smith when he was still likable. You can find Stilt's whole story from one of Will's popular songs.

Wild Wild West, which will be code for "The Streets" anytime you see it quoted:

"Wild Wild West, Jim West, desperado, rough rider
No you don't want nada
None of this, gun in this, brotha runnin this,
Buffalo soldier, look it's like I told ya
Any damsel that's in distress
Be out of that dress when she meet Jim West
Rough neck so go check the law and abide
Watch your step with flex and get a hole in your side
Swallow your pride, don't let your lip react,
You don't wanna see my hand where my hip be at,
With all of this, from the start of this,
Runnin the game, James West tamin the west so remember the name
Now who ya gonna call?"

[b]Basically what this means is that Jim West (James Howlett) is a person you wouldn't want to encounter if you're doing law breaking acts. He also plows women with his penis. His hand where his hip be at is a play on his claws being akin to a gun.
This whole first verse is Stiltman pretending to be Wolverine to get a sense of where his loyalties lie.

"[Dru Hill:]
Not the G.B.'s

[Will Smith:]
Now who you gonna call?

[Dru Hill:]
(G double E G)

[Will Smith:]
If you have a riff with people wanna bust,
Break out before you get bumrushed at the (Wild Wild West)
When I roll into the (Wild Wild West)
When I stroll into the (Wild Wild West)
When I bounce into the (Wild Wild West) Sisqo, Sisqo

[Sisqo:]
We going straight to the Wild Wild West
We going straight to the Wild Wild West"

This is where Stilt is telling you where he'll be. In the streets. Not the sky, not the cosmos, but in the streets. Because Stilt is only about the streets. He also brought in Jinzin and Srank to help sing the chorus to further his point.
An interesting conundrum here is that he's telling you not to call the Avengers, or the X-Men, yet Wolverine has been part of both teams.

"Now, now, now, now once upon a time in the west
Mad man lost his damn mind in the west
Loveless, givin up a dime, nothin' less
Now I must put his behind to the test (can you feel me)
Then through the shadows, in the saddle, ready for battle
Bring all your boys in, here come the poison
Behind my back, all the riffin' ya did,
Front and center, now where your lip at kid?
Who dat is? A mean brotha, bad for your health
Lookin damn good though, if I could say it myself
Told me Loveless is a mad man, but I don't fear that
Got mad weapons too, ain't tryin to hear that
Tryin to bring down me, this champion
When y'all clowns gon' see that it can't be done
Understand me son, I'm the slickest they is,
I'm the quickest as they is, did I say I'm the slickest they is
So if you barking up the wrong tree we comin, don't be startin nothin
Me and my partner gonna test your chest, Loveless
Can't stand the heat then get out the Wild Wild West"

Loveless is interchangeable with Sabertooth here because that's Wolverine's main villain. He's also telling Sabes to bring all his boys in (his whole rogue gallery), here comes the poison (claws).

He also slips in a nice "Best there is" reference with the "slickest they is" part.

Here's where it gets interesting however. This part:
Told me Loveless is a mad man, but I don't fear that
Got mad weapons too, ain't tryin to hear that

Is actually talking about anything above street level characters. It's talking about the tech and powers of those crazy beings. It's supposed to mean that Wolverine doesn't fear them, and it's Stiltman's way of saying he ain't trying to hear that (anything above street level). It's actually the most important part of the song.

"[Dru Hill:]
[Freestyling]
To any outlaw tryin to draw, thinkin you're bad,
Any draw on West best with a pen and a pad,
Don't even think about it, six gun, weighin a ton,
10 paces and turn, just for fun, son,
Up till sundown, rolling around,
See where the bad guys are to be found and make 'em lay down,
The defenders of the west,
Crushin on pretenders in the west,
Don't mess with us cuz we're in the (Wild Wild West)"

Stiltman is warning you that you better not mess with Wolverine, and you better not draw arms on him because he's the slickest they is. It's also a nice nod to his claws, because he counts each claw as their own gun (six guns).

We also get a nice warning to the "pretenders of the west" (anyone above street level) that they will get crushed by the "defenders of the west" (street levelers).

The rest is just repeated chorus and sisqo (Jinzin) screaming incoherent words about street levels. [/B]

They all sound /look/smell the same, eh Galan?

Not sure about the smell, that's your area of expertise.

Ayo! g007_teehee

The darker the berry, the sweeter the...smell?

Originally posted by deathslash
difference is that darkseid was depowered at that time. I do like how you completely ignored that in order to prove your point though. It was referenced again in the squirrel girl series. I didn't say that he was there to win (nice defensive maneuver though), I said that he survived against a serious Odin but still got wrecked by a nearly depowered cosmic cube.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you rescind the CC claim. Wonderful. It was a clone. It also happened off panel so despite it not being canon the context isn't known to us. The context is known to us with regards to Darkseid. He loses just deal with it.

Originally posted by carver9
Darkseid wins every round but he works for it.

😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by deathslash
how did I rescind my statement? I just restated what I previously said and yet you somehow get that I was rescinding it? You got any proof to back up the thought that it was a clone? The context is known to us though, he fought squirrel girl, she said that she couldn't believe that she and monkey Joe were enough to take him down, and then the watcher went out of his way to state that he was sorry that he couldn't get involved in the fight and he then went on to confirm that it was the real thanos. Also, nice way to avoid addressing that thanos got his lip busted by namor. The context that it was his first time fighting that justice league, he casually ko'd a high herald, was getting stabbed in the weakest areas of his body and he was still fighting on even ground with them until he got telephoned away?

If the clones are EXACTLY the same, and are so similar that they can fool ANYONE....surely, defeating one is the same as defeating Thanos?

If they are so alike, that is.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If the clones are EXACTLY the same, and are so similar that they can fool ANYONE....surely, defeating one is the same as defeating Thanos?

If they are so alike, that is.

I've always found the Thanos clone excuse quite laughable. It's just a way for Thanos fanboys to try and dismiss any low showing Thanos acquires. Darkseid fanboys do the same thing with the 'avatar-defense'.

It's just silly.

Iyo which is fine since mine vehemently disagrees. Long live, Thanos.

Galan is Carver's avatar

Originally posted by Galan007
Darkseid. Easily.

Originally posted by deathslash
Darkseid wrecks thanos so badly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid easily.

👆

Originally posted by -K-M-
Galan is Carver's avatar

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same writer deemed clones can fool anyone in a she hulk comic. He broke every bone in his hand whereas batman a human being suffered no injures thus Thanos looks more impressive in direct comparison. He still lost against the justice league which is the point. Thanos calmly and tactically took out the annihilators with ease whereas Darkseid failed to defeat a completely surprised and ignorant Justice league with regards to Darkseid. 🙂

I also love how you spout nothing other than the word "context", but when the time comes to examine the context of the situation, you say absolutely nothing about it. Darkseid was severely depowered at that point in time. Thanos wasn't depowered when Namor busted his lip. These are undeniable facts.

Yes, he took out characters that he had years of knowledge about. Darkseid on the other hand, went into a completely different reality and battled the (thus far) strongest heroes that he's ever had to face (and only lost because of bfr). I also appreciate that you continually harp about his lower level showings but say nothing about his battle against the heroes of earth 2 (and group consisting of a multiversal green lantern, powergirl, value zodd, the flash, doctor fate, hawkgirl, red tornado, the atom, sandman, a technopathic version of Jimmy Olsen, and an amped batman). You also say absolutely nothing about him battling a version of the anti monitor that had to amp off of other realities in order to be a match for him while casually calling out the personification of death itself and having it do his bidding.

Originally posted by deathslash
😆 so every time he loses, it's a clone now? You're really reaching buddy.

I also love how you spout nothing other than the word "context", but when the time comes to examine the context of the situation, you say absolutely nothing about it. Darkseid was severely depowered at that point in time. Thanos wasn't depowered when Namor busted his lip. These are undeniable facts.

Yes, he took out characters that he had years of knowledge about. Darkseid on the other hand, went into a completely different reality and battled the (thus far) strongest heroes that he's ever had to face (and only lost because of bfr). I also appreciate that you continually harp about his lower level showings but say nothing about his battle against the heroes of earth 2 (and group consisting of a multiversal green lantern, powergirl, value zodd, the flash, doctor fate, hawkgirl, red tornado, the atom, sandman, a technopathic version of Jimmy Olsen, and an amped batman). You also say absolutely nothing about him battling a version of the anti monitor that had to amp off of other realities in order to be a match for him while casually calling out the personification of death itself and having it do his bidding.

They also had knowledge of him. They weren't taking on an unknown threat. Darkseid had the advantage of attacking an unsuspecting Jla. A loss is a loss. Thanos bfrd Gladiator. Exaggerations and nothing more. Both sides had prep and armies. Am came out on top. It just goes to show when prep comes to shove Darkseid always falters regardless of the version.

Thanos had to save death multiple times. 😂

Anything Darkseid can do Thanos can do better.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say everytime I said this time. Darksied wasn't depowered when Batman bloodied him up. Quit lying.

They also had knowledge of him. They weren't taking on an unknown threat. Darkseid had the advantage of attacking an unsuspecting Jla. A loss is a loss. Thanos bfrd Gladiator. Exaggerations and nothing more. Both sides had prep and armies. Am came out on top. It just goes to show when prep comes to shove Darkseid always falters regardless of the version.

Thanos had to save death multiple times. 😂

Anything Darkseid can do Thanos can do better.

Unsuspecting? He appeared in the midst of a flock of parademons, they had that whole "he must be the final boss" moment, and then he casually ko'd every one of them. Yes, he lost because they literally had a character that could stop Jim from returning (cyborg). Too bad thanus doesn't have a way to permanently remove Darkseid from the fight. Oh, I'd simply love to hear about how I'm exaggerating about his showing with the earth 2 heroes (especially the part about him taking on an amped avatar of the green that was channeling the power of all of the multiverse's earths). No, what it shows is that it takes the current embodiment of the anti life equation amping off of multiple realities in order combat darkseid. Thanus badly loses this fight. Get furious

Originally posted by deathslash
So.........you don't have anything to actually prove that it was a clone? Concession accepted. You clearly weren't actually reading the story. The reason why Darkseid needed highfather's staff was because he needed to siphon the energy out of it to regain his power. He was depowered and dessad plainly said it. You should at least attempt to lie or feign ignorance better than that. I also like, how you once again attempted to divert my attention from thanus getting his lip busted and only addressed the Darkseid showing.

Unsuspecting? He appeared in the midst of a flock of parademons, they had that whole "he must be the final boss" moment, and then he casually ko'd every one of them. Yes, he lost because they literally had a character that could stop Jim from returning (cyborg). Too bad thanus doesn't have a way to permanently remove Darkseid from the fight. Oh, I'd simply love to hear about how I'm exaggerating about his showing with the earth 2 heroes (especially the part about him taking on an amped avatar of the green that was channeling the power of all of the multiverse's earths). No, what it shows is that it takes the current embodiment of the anti life equation amping off of multiple realities in order combat darkseid. Thanus badly loses this fight. Get furious

Thanos doesn't need to Bfr him to defeat him but the Justice league did so despite no Intel and no forewarning Darkseid was going to show up and fight them. Well let's talk about plot devices and that lord Mar-Vell used a ritual empowered by an entire universe against Thanos. Did it out him down ? **** no. Thanos played Lord Mar-Vell and an entire universe which prepped for his destruction. He saved the 616's aspect of Death. That's far more impressive than Darkseid going to war and losing against the Anti Monitor in his own war. Plot devices exist in comics all the time so do not hid behind this and quit with the excuse making. Why would I be mad when Thanos wins ? You can reboot Darkseid as many times as you need to because he's been that awful and guess what Thanos still wins. Smile. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Darkseid fanboys do the same thing with the 'avatar-defense'.

It's just silly.

Is that what they use to argue?