Originally posted by FrothByteToo hard, really? Your statement is pure assumption with no facts. Proven by the fact that you ignore Obi Wan intentions and the fact that he was fighting two people.
You're trying too hard. Fact is Obi Wan was unable to use any force push/crush/choke maneuver to effectively nullify Jango.
Anyway your point is irrelevant, Obi Wan isn't Darth Vader. Concession accepted.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Too hard, really? Your statement is pure assumption with no facts. Proven by the fact that you ignore Obi Wan intentions and the fact that he was fighting two people.Anyway your point is irrelevant, Obi Wan isn't Darth Vader. Concession accepted.
Assumption with no facts? I'll tell you what's assumption:
Assuming that a light saber can cut through something as tough as Ultron
Assuming that Vader can force choke/crush something as tough as Ultron
Assuming that Vader can resist Ultron's weird robotic/magnetic TK
Assuming that Vader can block blasts as strong as what Ultron can dish out
Want some facts?
1. Ultron is strong enough to kill Vader with his bare hands
2. Ultron is strong enough to cut off a man's arm with his bare hands
3. Vader never fought anyone as tough or as strong as Ultron
4. There's no reason to think Ultron's TK won't work on Vader
5. It took a prolonged blast of Thor's lightning, Vision's infinity gem and IM's repulsors before Ultron got damaged. It is very doubtful that a lightsaber will damage him without any sort of prolonged contact.
6. A full fledged Jedi was unable to take down a non-force user who used technology against the Jedi.
7. Obi Wan defeated Anakin
8. Ultron can fly
9. Vader is not as nimble as Anakin
10. Ultron can simply blast the surrounding area around Vader
A lightsaber cut through blast shields that were "impossible" to get through.
Ultron is not pure vibranium and vader has crushed metals before and shown he can use the force to lift things that way seversl tonnes
I still can't find ultron's tk. What scene are you refering to?
A lightsaber can block other lightsabers, which can cut through pretty much anything. Its not that big of an assumption.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
A lightsaber cut through blast shields that were "impossible" to get through.
Ultron is not pure vibranium and vader has crushed metals before and shown he can use the force to lift things that way seversl tonnes
I still can't find ultron's tk. What scene are you refering to?
A lightsaber can block other lightsabers, which can cut through pretty much anything. Its not that big of an assumption.
A lightsaber needed prolonged contact with the blast door to cut through it IIRC. If Vader takes that much time to cut through Ultron he'll get his arms chopped off.
Ultron also took on a full hit from Mjolnir without any severe damage. Heck, IM's armor can take tank rounds and not get damaged, Ultron is tougher than that. I don't think Vader has crushed any metal that strong before. If I'm mistaken please cite an example.
Ultron's TK feats were when he fought IM in the tanker and during the train fight.
I agree that Vader can force lift Ultron. Problem is, Ultron can fly and is far stronger than anything Vader has tried to hold before. What happens when Ultron tries to fly while Vader is lifting him?
I don't doubt that the lightsaber can block Ultron's blast power. What I doubt is whether it can block Ultron's blast diameter. Ultron's blasts generate from his fingers, which means 4-5 streams at the same time creating a blast that's far thicker than the stander blaster bolts that Vader has blocked. It's a thicker stream than his lightsaber anyway. How's he going to block that?
Originally posted by quanchi112I use to respect that you always came up with an argument no matter your pick and how people felt about it. Now your debating skills amount to nothing but name calling now.
So you also admit you can't understand simple sentences, simpleton.#youlose
Either come up with an argument or be quiet. I said Ultron should win, but Vader can also win. It is in my early post illiterate one. Try reading for once.
If you feel Vader would be stomp or has no chance of winning then prove it or concession accepted.
Any other post you make without proving my statement that Vader cannot win or will not be stomp is a concession.
Knowing that you can't I'm sure you are going to revert to name calling.
Originally posted by FrothByteYou do realize that it is an assumption to assume that a light saber cannot cut through Ultron. I cannot think of one thing in the star wars universe that light sabers cannot cut through. Please enlighten me if there is.
Assumption with no facts? I'll tell you what's assumption:Assuming that a light saber can cut through something as tough as Ultron
Originally posted by FrothByteOnce again an assumption to say he can’t. Vader has shown the ability to crush metal with ease as shown at the end of ROTS. Force is an ability that has no limits.
Assuming that Vader can force choke/crush something as tough as Ultron
Originally posted by FrothByteRight I get it, your statements such as this one is a fact and not an assumption. All of the technically advance things in Stars Wars robotic/magnetic TK is the thing that will get Vader.
Assuming that Vader can resist Ultron's weird robotic/magnetic TK
Originally posted by FrothByteOf course again this is not an assumption that he can’t because Vader has shown that this is a weakness for him.
Assuming that Vader can block blasts as strong as what Ultron can dish out
Originally posted by FrothByteLet me help you out here. Vader without the force then this is a true statement. Vader with the force no, the force is what makes Vader special.
Want some facts?1. Ultron is strong enough to kill Vader with his bare hands
Originally posted by FrothByteGreat. This helps how? Vader armor took a direct hit from a saber.
2. Ultron is strong enough to cut off a man's arm with his bare hands
Originally posted by FrothByteUltron has never fought someone with abilities such as Vader.
3. Vader never fought anyone as tough or as strong as Ultron
Originally posted by FrothByteYes there is because Vader can use TK also. You would have to prove that Ultron TK is more powerful which you can’t.
4. There's no reason to think Ultron's TK won't work on Vader
Originally posted by FrothByteI agree with this statement. That is the main reason why my fight scenario in the end had Vader retreating and giving the win to Ultron.
5. It took a prolonged blast of Thor's lightning, Vision's infinity gem and IM's repulsors before Ultron got damaged. It is very doubtful that a lightsaber will damage him without any sort of prolonged contact.
Originally posted by FrothBytePlease stop using this as an example. I have already disproven this statement. Jango fled the battle. Obi Wan did not lose.
6. A full fledged Jedi was unable to take down a non-force user who used technology against the Jedi.
Originally posted by FrothByteThere are so many circumstances to this battle the cause Obi Wan to win but anyway, we are talking about Prime Darth Vader. The two don’t compare.
7. Obi Wan defeated Anakin
Originally posted by FrothByteGreat.
8. Ultron can fly
Originally posted by FrothByteHe is much more powerful.
9. Vader is not as nimble as Anakin
Originally posted by FrothByteThat would kill Vader, really? Even as a Jedi Vader face situations like that. Please come up with something better.
10. Ultron can simply blast the surrounding area around Vader
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialI am not denying that.
Koto cmon, you already said Ultron wins..
I only respond to comments now that try to make it seem that Vader would be stomped or have no chance of winning.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialI don't recall a destroyer droid owning an Jedi, can you provide an example?
Destroyer Droids could own jedi's pretty easily. Ultron is way above them.Obiwan said Vadar is more machine then man, Ultron could easily immobilize and crush him with his electromagnetism.
Vader is a cyborg? Anyone who can crush droids the way he does and survive lava burning up the majority of their body I'm pretty sure has full control of his body, cybernetic or not.
@Kotor3
You're using way too much no limits fallacy.
You do realize that it is an assumption to assume that a light saber cannot cut through Ultron. I cannot think of one thing in the star wars universe that light sabers cannot cut through. Please enlighten me if there is.
Once again an assumption to say he can’t. Vader has shown the ability to crush metal with ease as shown at the end of ROTS. Force is an ability that has no limits
Let me help you out here. Vader without the force then this is a true statement. Vader with the force no, the force is what makes Vader special.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialMy Vader statement was suppose to have a period not ?.
The fact they run from them is proof enough.Vadar is a cyborg.
When did he crush destroyer droids, and how is he crushing someone made of vibramium which repels any incoming force.
So, running away is your definition of owned? So when Ultron ran he was owned?
Nice how you ignore the situation of the Jedi at the time of running. Such as in the first scene of TPM when the destroyer droids came and eventually other enforcement would have come forcing the Jedi to make a decision to retreat.
It wasn't because they couldn't take the destroyer droids, it was simply no reason to engage them.
So unless you can find an example where a destroyer droid actually takes on a Jedi you have no point.
As for Ultron armor, how do you know vibramium is immune to the force? Maybe I am lacking knowledge in the force as to what it is. From my knowledge the force seems to take on different forms. So please explain.