Originally posted by FrothByteCorrect me if I am wrong, please. The limits of the force pertain to the person using the force not the force itself, correct?
@Kotor3You're using way too much no limits fallacy.
From my knowledge the force itself has no limits. Depending on the knowledge and ability of the person using the force is where the limits come into play.
If this is incorrect, please let me know.
Originally posted by Kotor3
My Vader statement was suppose to have a period not ?.So, running away is your definition of owned? So when Ultron ran he was owned?
Nice how you ignore the situation of the Jedi at the time of running. Such as in the first scene of TPM when the destroyer droids came and eventually other enforcement would have come forcing the Jedi to make a decision to retreat.
It wasn't because they couldn't take the destroyer droids, it was simply no reason to engage them.
So unless you can find an example where a destroyer droid actually takes on a Jedi you have no point.
As for Ultron armor, how do you know vibramium is immune to the force? Maybe I am lacking knowledge in the force as to what it is. From my knowledge the force seems to take on different forms. So please explain.
Im not going to continue this..everything you are saying is just wrong. And I think you are just trolling now.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Correct me if I am wrong, please. The limits of the force pertain to the person using the force not the force itself, correct?From my knowledge the force itself has no limits. Depending on the knowledge and ability of the person using the force is where the limits come into play.
If this is incorrect, please let me know.
Unfortunately, this thread is not THE FORCE vs. ULTRON. It's Vader vs. Ultron. So you'll have to supplement your claims with feats from VADER.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialOk, lets be serious here. We both agreed at the beginning of our discussion that Ultron wins. You know my argument is that it would not be a stomp.
Im not going to continue this..everything you are saying is just wrong. And I think you are just trolling now.
Here is your argument that you presenting that you want me to not take as a troll response and be serious about:
Ultron stomps because:
He can fly
Has powerful weapons
Armor is made vibranium
Jedi have fled destroyer driods
(I Believe you agreed with the Jango gave Obi Wan a hard time statement)
So what you are telling me is that force users have never face or have trouble with enemies that fly, have powerful weapons, and durable armor.
1. You have yet to provide one example to support your statements especially the destroyer driods own jedi pretty easily.
2. You are comparing Jedi to a Sith. The actions of the two and the way they fight and their intent are totally different.
3. You are using examples with Jedi that is much weaker than the Sith Lord Vader who is 80% of ROTJ Sidious. Please tell me Sidious would have issues with Jango or destroyer driods.
Side note: The Jedi that supposedly had issues with Jango wreak General Grevious who would destroy Jango.
So I say again, I accept the concession of those who say that it would be a stomp.
Originally posted by FrothByteGood you agree about the force and I agree with your statement. I have provided feats in my previous posts.
Unfortunately, this thread is not THE FORCE vs. ULTRON. It's Vader vs. Ultron. So you'll have to supplement your claims with feats from VADER.
So, I am a little unclear on your stance. I know you say Ultron wins but are you stating that it is a stomp or just a win?
As for Ultron's armor and a light saber. We know that in Marvel's universe vibranium is almost indestructible. In the Star Wars universe a light saber when enhance by the force can practically cut through almost anything.
Using the attributes of the armor and weapon from the two universes I believe the battle comes down to how long it would take for the lightsaber to cut through the vibranium armor.
You know, I thought that other ability of Ultron was just some kind of magnetism, but it really does seem more along the lines of some kind of techno-tk, after rechecking. Ultron not only uses it to yank Tony towards him and rip up huge chunks of the freeway, he actually uses it to blast Cap back onto a car during that same fight, and during the final confrontation, final form Ultron uses it to toss a large piece of stone pillar at Thor during their brief scuffle.
He blasts Cap back around 58 seconds. He uses it again at 2:20 to pull up a large chunk of concrete to stop Widow. And again at around 2:37 he yanks loose a huge chunk that would easily have weighed several tons.
And then against Thor, at 10 seconds he uses the ability to toss a large piece of stone at Thor.
Yeah, it took the combined effort of an Infinity Stone blast, Thor going balls to the wall with his lightning, and Iron Man unleashing all of his repulsors to inflict damage to Ultron. I have yet to recall any actual canon lightsaber or force feats from Vader that equal that level of damage output. SW ripped out Ultron's "heart" when his exterior armour had already been compromised somewhat, after the previously mentioned assault, and multiple hard blows from the Hulk. Not to mention he was down and out and unable to fight back. Unlike this match. And she herself displayed enough power to stop a runaway train, and pretty much atomized a whole group of Ultron bots.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Ok, lets be serious here. We both agreed at the beginning of our discussion that Ultron wins. You know my argument is that it would not be a stomp.Here is your argument that you presenting that you want me to not take as a troll response and be serious about:
Ultron stomps because:
He can fly
Has powerful weapons
Armor is made vibranium
Jedi have fled destroyer driods
(I Believe you agreed with the Jango gave Obi Wan a hard time statement)So what you are telling me is that force users have never face or have trouble with enemies that fly, have powerful weapons, and durable armor.
1. You have yet to provide one example to support your statements especially the destroyer driods own jedi pretty easily.
2. You are comparing Jedi to a Sith. The actions of the two and the way they fight and their intent are totally different.
3. You are using examples with Jedi that is much weaker than the Sith Lord Vader who is 80% of ROTJ Sidious. Please tell me Sidious would have issues with Jango or destroyer driods.
Side note: The Jedi that supposedly had issues with Jango wreak General Grevious who would destroy Jango.
So I say again, I accept the concession of those who say that it would be a stomp.
You are really going to troll me?