White woman quotes black author, is called racist

Just how ridiculous are we going to take this PC bullshit?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/elgin-courier-news/ct-ecn-jeanette-ward-facebook-post-st-0205-20160204-story.html

They even go on to say "oh it wouldn't of been a problem if she'd quoted a conservative black guy". Another example of a community pretending none of their problems come from within. They also keep saying the stuff the black author has said has been "discredited" to which, what?

They talk about how she shouldn't of used a school facebook account, but still went on to say if she used such an account to quote someone like Ben Carson it would be okay.

I am unable to view your link. It keeps asking me to subscribe and when I decline it takes me to the front page.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160208/news/160209016/

I did find the above link which I was able to view.

According to that article she isn't being called racist because she quoted a black author. She is being called racist because she is quoting a black author that says black people are using racism as an excuse to be lazy and not solve their own problems.

I'm sorry but this statement is and has always come off as extremely racist to me. So if that is the case, once again I can not read your article, then I would say she is rightly being called out for possible racists comments. 😬

I mean anytime a white person says or quotes sayings that promote the idea the problems of black america stems from their own laziness I tend to think they may be racists or have a problem.

And I know this topic is more nuanced than that but she very well could be racists because of those comments.

So again, quoting another black person for what they say about the black community is racist?

Just to be clear, the black guy who said it, he's racist too, right? If it's racist for her to repeat the quote, it surely is racist for him to say it.

Since it surely can't be not racist if a black believes it, but becomes racist if a white believes it.

Oh, and the quote never calls blacks lazy:

"The notion that racism is holding back blacks as a group, or that better black outcomes cannot be expected until racism has been vanquished, is a dodge".

It says nothing of laziness there. The core message seems to be that blacks use the racial problems to dodge issues plaguing the community that have nothing to do with racism. Which, is that false to you?

Or the comment about black fathers which unfortunately..yeah, a strong parental unit is definitely something the community needs and something a lot lack. She also says the problems come from values and habits. Again: how can you say such a suggestion is 100% false?

Originally posted by Surtur
So again, quoting another black person for what they say about the black community is racist?

Just to be clear, the black guy who said it, he's racist too, right? If it's racist for her to repeat the quote, it surely is racist for him to say it.

Since it surely can't be not racist if a black believes it, but becomes racist if a white believes it.

It's like quoting a self-hating Jew to confirm anti-Semitic beliefs.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You know it's possible for black people to hate/think poorly of other black people, right? And that quoting those people can be racist?

It's like quoting a self-hating Jew to confirm anti-Semitic beliefs.

So again: is the black guy who said it racist against his own kind? Also what about if what is being said has some truth in it, is it wrong to quote?

It sounds like they are essentially telling her to shut up and only quote the blacks that ignore the flaws plaguing the community.

Originally posted by Surtur
So again, quoting another black person for what they say about the black community is racist?

Just to be clear, the black guy who said it, he's racist too, right?

This is not what I pointed out. Seriously this thread is misleading. Once again it's not that she quoted a black person that is upsetting people. It's the claims she is endorsing from the author. Basically it says that black people are too lazy to want to fix the problems that plague them. That's a pretty bold and silly claim to make imo. And yes racist to me.

Also Black people can be racists to other black people as well. I've seen it in person before.

Let me put it this way. If a black author made the claim that african americans have inferior brains to white people and a white person pushes that viewpoint. Would that not be racist? It would wouldn't it.

Once again you're thread is misleading because you make it sound like her quoting the black author is what people are calling her racists for instead of the black author's viewpoint she is endorsing.

But where did she say they were lazy?

They are calling her a racist because she quoted a black man who was being critical of the black community. Nobody ever said "oh these lazy blacks, too lazy to do anything". It talked about the values and habits of the community(gang violence, etc.) having a toll. It talked about the lack of fathers, it talked about using racism as a dodge.

All those things, true or false to you? The thing is nothing was said about blacks being inferior, the author basically was saying "get your shit together" and she quoted it. If she agree's they should get their shit together then okay, where is the racism? You act like she retweeted a black dude saying "I love watermelon and chicken" and said "see! see!".

Originally posted by Surtur
But where did she say they were lazy?

They are calling her a racist because she quoted a black man who was being critical of the black community. Nobody ever said "oh these lazy blacks, too lazy to do anything". It talked about the values and habits of the community(gang violence, etc.) having a toll. It talked about the lack of fathers, it talked about using racism as a dodge.

All those things, true or false to you? The thing is nothing was said about blacks being inferior, the author basically was saying "get your shit together" and she quoted it.

Basically it marginalizes the effects racism has on a society by saying that it is the Black Communities fault they are in such dire straights. Essentially it says that hte black community is being lazy waiting on the government to fix their problems. We can debate this topic till we are blue in the amount. But pretending that is not the central theme of the author she quoted. Pretending that her quoting such a thing could not have a racist undertone. Pretending that people are only upset that she quoted a black author. Well it's just silly and misleading about what people are upset with her over.

Originally posted by Surtur
So again: is the black guy who said it racist against his own kind? Also what about if what is being said has some truth in it, is it wrong to quote?

It sounds like they are essentially telling her to shut up and only quote the blacks that ignore the flaws plaguing the community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_racism

You're welcome.

Oh great, newjak is back? I thought he was gone for good this time.

What a valuable contribution, TI.

Originally posted by Newjak
I am unable to view your link. It keeps asking me to subscribe and when I decline it takes me to the front page.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20160208/news/160209016/

I did find the above link which I was able to view.

According to that article she isn't being called racist because she quoted a black author. She is being called racist because she is quoting a black author that says black people are using racism as an excuse to be lazy and not solve their own problems.

I'm sorry but this statement is and has always come off as extremely racist to me. So if that is the case, once again I can not read your article, then I would say she is rightly being called out for possible racists comments. 😬

I mean anytime a white person says or quotes sayings that promote the idea the problems of black america stems from their own laziness I tend to think they may be racists or have a problem.

And I know this topic is more nuanced than that but she very well could be racists because of those comments.

No, the black author she quoted is saying what I say: the liberal coddling is - at least sometimes - not helpful, it is racist, and the actual way to improve their situation is through determination and self-improvement.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, the black author she quoted is saying what I say: the liberal coddling is - at least sometimes - not helpful, it is racist, and the actual way to improve their situation is through determination and self-improvement.

You also happen to be racist though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
What a valuable contribution, TI.

😂

Anyways I think the woman is a little crazy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You also happen to be racist though.

Who the hell are you to tell someone if they are racist or not? Last time I checked you are one of the biggest racists, and anti-women people here.

You basically think women can't do anything on their own and have to be coddled like children.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, the black author she quoted is saying what I say: the liberal coddling is - at least sometimes - not helpful, it is racist, and the actual way to improve their situation is through determination and self-improvement.

Regardless of what side you fall on the debate that has always been true for people that disagree. So it is a far cry from what the title of this thread presents as people's problems with her quote. It's not that she is quoting a black author that people are calling her racists for. It is the viewpoint of the author she is pushing.

So yes I believe people are not out of line to call her a potential racists for her quotes nor should be this much of an outrage that people are upset with her viewpoints.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who the hell are you to tell someone if they are racist or not? Last time I checked you are one of the biggest racists, and anti-women people here.

You basically think women can't do anything on their own and have to be coddled like children.

That is literally the opposite of what I advocate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/politics/gloria-steinem-madeleine-albright-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

"There is a special place in hell for women who don't help each other."

This bigoted old women thinks any women who does not support Hilary is going to hell.😂

What a stupid old women.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/politics/gloria-steinem-madeleine-albright-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

"There is a special place in hell for women who don't help each other."

This bigoted old women thinks any women who does not support Hilary is going to hell.😂

What a stupid old women.

She is not being called a racist because she quoted a black author. She is being called a racist because she quoted a black author to support her racism.

If one was transphobic for example, he could quote mine any number of criticisms of the trans community by trans people to support his views. It does not make him any less transphobic that he could find a single trans person who appears to agree with him.