ODIN VERSUS Imperiex

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you go on a circular notion that superman can't do this because well, he is not Gladiator or Silver Surfer, right?

Why don't you tell me how probes tanking universe level black holes gets negated by the fact that they were beaten by puny post-crisis Superman.

Surely the guy who gets "killed in a nanosecond by silver surfer" can't do these, right?

Silver Surfer could beat those probes with his pinky, right?

Well since Silver Surfer could beat Superman then I suppose yes..he could defeat anything Superman did. So hey awesome, Silver Surfer can beat the shit out of Galactus.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well since Silver Surfer could beat Superman then I suppose yes..he could defeat anything Superman did. So hey awesome, Silver Surfer can beat the shit out of Galactus.

I thought in your world Surfer beats Superman 10/10?

So you think Superman beating the probes negates all their other showings? Right?

He doesn't beat Supes 100% of the time. At least one time out of 10 Silver Surfer is going to just die of laughter after reading your posts. I mean that technically counts as a win, right?

Originally posted by SquallX
Come on man, it's called plot. As in the Hero beating a force far more powerful than him troupe. It's been around for as long as there's been fictional stories.

It's the same reason that Captain America was able to beat the shit out of King Thor. That doesn't mean he's Universal, it just means the plot called for it.

Superman beating Imperiex was the case of beings vastly more powerful than Superman powering him up.

He gets the feat because he was the host for those powers. It's not PIS. Nobody's underperforming to serve the plot.

Why it's a feat for Superman to be powered up by someone a gazillion times more powerful than him, is beyond me, but that's how it goes.

Originally posted by Surtur
He doesn't beat Supes 100% of the time. At least one time out of 10 Silver Surfer is going to just die of laughter after reading your posts. I mean that technically counts as a win, right?

So you think Superman beating the probes negates all their other showings?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Superman beating Imperiex was the case of beings vastly more powerful than Superman powering him up.

He gets the feat because he was the host for those powers. It's not PIS. Nobody's underperforming to serve the plot.

Why it's a feat for Superman to be powered up by someone a gazillion times more powerful than him, is beyond me, but that's how it goes.

And probes tanking some serious shit like galaxy destroying black holes.

So it is an anathema to him.

If the probes are consistently universal level except when they seem to be in the vicinity of Superman why would it negate their other showings? I'm saying all their other showings negate the Superman showing. This isn't rocket science.

Originally posted by Surtur
If the probes are consistently universal level except when they seem to be in the vicinity of Superman why would it negate their other showings? I'm saying all their other showings negate the Superman showing. This isn't rocket science.

Unfortunately for you, both happened. Several times in an arc.

Quite a conundrum, isn't it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surtur is crying because of Superman beating the probes.

And probes tanking some serious shit like galaxy destroying black holes.

So it is an anathema to him.

Okay you realize the person you quoted was essentially saying Superman was only able to do what he did because he was being somehow amped by Imperiex, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So either Superman didn't destroy the probes or they didn't tank the black holes.

Unfortunately for you, both happened. Several times in an arc.

Quite a conundrum, isn't it?

Who said they didn't happen? Spiderman vs Firelord happened too. Deathstroke defeating a GL and Flash happened to. You know, those same GL's you are playing up so much in the other thread?

Holy shit, is Surtur actually equating Superman beating the probes with Spiderman vs Firelord?

What the fuok is wrong with the Marvel fans.

You mean am I comparing a fight where one person beats someone who should normally be way way out of their league..to a fight where someone beats someone way way out of their league?

Also, I'm not really a huge Marvel fan. Superman has been my favorite character for a long time now. I just don't like seeing a bunch of fanboys engaged in a Superman circle jerk. These people give Superman fans a bad name. It would be easier to pretend this was all about a dislike of Superman or a love of Marvel, wouldn't it? Yep, shockingly not every Superman fan wanks him to epic proportions DBZ style.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay you realize the person you quoted was essentially saying Superman was only able to do what he did because he was being somehow amped by Imperiex, right?

Originally posted by Surtur
Who said they didn't happen? Spiderman vs Firelord happened too. Deathstroke defeating a GL and Flash happened to. You know, those same GL's you are playing up so much in the other thread?

So ultimately it all came down for you to dismiss the feat for Superman anyway you can. So typical.

Does this happen to say Silver Surfer beating Tenebrous and Aegis?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell me, have you even read OWAW?
😂

Yep, you do realize I was just clarifying what the person was saying, and not making any comment on the actual story, right?

So ultimately it all came down for you to dismiss the feat for Superman anyway you can. So typical.

So how come when I dismiss a feat it is wrong, but you can dismiss GL feats like being defeated by Deathstroke and spout bullshit about them blowing holes in skyfathers. Be consistent. Or are you not dismissing those feats, then?

Does this happen to say Silver Surfer beating Tenebrous and Aegis?

If Surfer defeated beings way way out of his league and didn't use some kind of plot device? Yep.

Plot device....like a sundip/Kismet/'letting loose'?

Originally posted by Surtur
You mean am I comparing a fight where one person beats someone who should normally be way way out of their league..to a fight where someone beats someone way way out of their league?

GTFO, moron.

Lol.. Surtur is actually a Superman fan.

I'm saying anytime Superman fights a universal entity and wins? It's bullshit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plot device....like a sundip/Kismet/'letting loose'?

But Superman normally, even with a sundip, never approaches universal levels of power.

Now if you want to make OWAW Superman an entirely separate character from the post crisis version that is one thing. But if you look at his entire post crisis career, including sundips, do you feel it all meshes?

Originally posted by Surtur
Yep, you do realize I was just clarifying what the person was saying, and not making any comment on the actual story, right?

So you are saying you haven't read it.

Good.

So how come when I dismiss a feat it is wrong, but you can dismiss GL feats like being defeated by Deathstroke and spout bullshit about them blowing holes in skyfathers. Be consistent. Or are you not dismissing those feats, then?

I don't dismiss anything. Outliers happen for all characters and they are rarely important for any discussion.

If Surfer defeated beings way way out of his league and didn't use some kind of plot device? Yep.

Even if the writers made it a point that Surfer was holding back all this time and is cutting loose to get at higher power level than before?

Why?