Black Lives Matter thread

Originally posted by BackFire
Maybe all the extreme violence that god commits to nonbelievers in the Bible. Or in some cases against believers too.

And I don’t think you need to cherry pick. Just look at history and you will see that Christians are as capable as any group towards violence. Even if they should be very non violent based on their savior.

Quote doesn't work so I'll do my best to respond to each piece that makes since.

To your first sentence:

You have to be Jewish or Mormon to explain God destroying cities, wiping out, people, etc. The Jews (which the Mormons like to steal from/co-opt from) believed it was removing the protections of God (YHWH) that caused those bad things to happen, not that God did it Himself. Meaning, God is passively protecting large amounts of people, at times, and those bad things happened because of God removing His protection so the Random Number Generator of the universe would result in bad things happening. But it's a crap-shoot because the same God also said that it rains on the just and unjust. It's almost arbitrary.

Mormons took it a step further in their own Book of Mormon by explaining that the Canaanites and Amalekites were destroyed by the Israelites because they were repeatedly "preached to" about their iniquity but continued to teach their children bad things, rape everything (including their children), so God ordered them all to be wiped out including the livestock which were supposedly f*cked by the people, too (food cleanliness was a thing to Ancient Jews).

Why doesn't God destroy entire cities of The Philippines where children are sold in the streets in broad daylight? Mormons could have 2 responses: it's not all the people that do that and there are tons of good Christians in The Philippines, too. I'm unsure if we have have "biblically evil cities" like we saw a few times in the Old Testament.

And, yes, finding fault with the things Christians have done in the past is cherry-picking because the basics of basics of the entire belief system is non-violence, charity, and just being hippies. Anytime you can find fault with the evils Christians did hundreds of years ago, those people were literally doing the actions that are directly preached against in their how scriptural canon AND they are fulfilling prophecies from their own canon scriptures about the evils they would commit in God's name, in the future. It's not a "No True Scotsman" fallacy to say it is unChristian-like to torture people to death.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
BF: Again though, you seem to think that everyone who calls themself a Christian is actually a Christian.

Not to nitpick but the correct phrase would be, "Not everyone who identifies as a Christian follows the teachings of Christ."

Or, as Jesus Christ actually said Himself:

Matthew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Originally posted by BackFire
I wasn’t really referring to hitler. But I agree Christians should be peaceful and loving people and those who aren’t yet call themselves Christians are missing the point of all the teachings. Despite myself being an atheist I have great respect for Jesus and his teachings.

I think this is somewhat true for all religions. All can be perverted by those seeking violence. They can take certain passages from whatever scripture they choose and use that to justify violence. See that a lot in Islam right now.

On this, we agree. I do have some problems with just a few core beliefs of Islam, however. And how many within Islam choose to interpret some things and the interpretations of some of the Hadith.

I think we need to separate the Christian teachings and the people who proclaim to follow those teachings. Certainly saying you are Christian, being viewed as Christian by your community or even the world, does not stop one from doing monstrous, violent things.

Originally posted by Artol
I think we need to separate the Christian teachings and the people who proclaim to follow those teachings. Certainly saying you are Christian, being viewed as Christian by your community or even the world, does not stop one from doing monstrous, violent things.

Sounds good to me.

🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Quote doesn't work so I'll do my best to respond to each piece that makes since.

To your first sentence:

You have to be Jewish or Mormon to explain God destroying cities, wiping out, people, etc. The Jews (which the Mormons like to steal from/co-opt from) believed it was removing the protections of God (YHWH) that caused those bad things to happen, not that God did it Himself. Meaning, God is passively protecting large amounts of people, at times, and those bad things happened because of God removing His protection so the Random Number Generator of the universe would result in bad things happening. But it's a crap-shoot because the same God also said that it rains on the just and unjust. It's almost arbitrary.

Mormons took it a step further in their own Book of Mormon by explaining that the Canaanites and Amalekites were destroyed by the Israelites because they were repeatedly "preached to" about their iniquity but continued to teach their children bad things, rape everything (including their children), so God ordered them all to be wiped out including the livestock which were supposedly f*cked by the people, too (food cleanliness was a thing to Ancient Jews).

Why doesn't God destroy entire cities of The Philippines where children are sold in the streets in broad daylight? Mormons could have 2 responses: it's not all the people that do that and there are tons of good Christians in The Philippines, too. I'm unsure if we have have "biblically evil cities" like we saw a few times in the Old Testament.

And, yes, finding fault with the things Christians have done in the past is cherry-picking because the basics of basics of the entire belief system is non-violence, charity, and just being hippies. Anytime you can find fault with the evils Christians did hundreds of years ago, those people were literally doing the actions that are directly preached against in their how scriptural canon AND they are fulfilling prophecies from their own canon scriptures about the evils they would commit in God's name, in the future. It's not a "No True Scotsman" fallacy to say it is unChristian-like to torture people to death.

I see your point. You don’t have to go back hundreds of years though for examples. Take all the various Christian presidents we’ve had recently and then look at all the people they’ve killed and wars they’ve waged. It was Bush I think who said god talks to him and so by his own words god essentially told him to do these terrible things.

I think more Christians need to actually follow te idea of “what would Jesus do?”

But Bush also said that Christians serve the same god as muslims do. A true Christian would never say that. They are not the same. I didn't like Bush at all. Simply calling yourself a Republican isn't enough to get me to like the person. I think Bush was a bad president (only marginally better than Obama which isn't saying much)..

I seriously doubt it was Jesus who was talking to him. If it was any supernatural spirits they were probably demonic. I still suspect he had something to do with 9/11.

Also, as much as I love Jesus I don't know if I'd want someone who teaches to turn the other cheek running my country in today's world. Too many countries today already take advantage of us as it is.... that's a major reason that Trump was elected. To put a stop to that shit.

I gotta ask, are you doing satire?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is not inconsistent to treat relevantly dissimilar things differently. Christians are overrepresented in American politics. For reference, 88.2% of Congresspeople are Christian, and only .6% are Muslim. That 471 Christians to only 3 Muslims. Why they hell should anyone treat Islam as equally influential and concerning as Christianity in these matters whatsoever? It is bullshit equalization.

Say it ain’t so, that a Christians Country would have far more Christians in power.

The humanity?!

Originally posted by BackFire
History disagrees.

Because only Christianity committed atrocities right?

Let’s not forget, WW1 happened, and one of the major power in that war was not Christianity.

Originally posted by SquallX
Because only Christianity committed atrocities right?

Let’s not forget, WW1 happened, and one of the major power in that war was not Christianity.

Don’t be an idiot. I never said only Christians can commit violence, simply that they’re just as capable as anyone else.

Originally posted by SquallX
Because only Christianity committed atrocities right?

Let’s not forget, WW1 happened, and one of the major power in that war was not Christianity.

Which major power in WW1 that wasn't Christian do you mean?

Originally posted by Artol
Which major power in WW1 that wasn't Christian do you mean?

Probably the Ottoman empire

Originally posted by snowdragon
Probably the Ottoman empire

Could be, I also thought he might mean Japan. Although I would say the main bulk of the fighting parties were majority Christian of some form or another.

Originally posted by BackFire
Don’t be an idiot. I never said only Christians can commit violence, simply that they’re just as capable as anyone else.

We can keep discussing religion and Christianity I guess, but I get the feeling the reason they burned bibles really just comes down to "will piss some conservatives off". They aren't intelligent enough to have any deeper meaning for their actions.

They'd never in a billion years set fire to the Quran. They could set it on fire in order to show solidarity with all the black lives destroyed by Islam the world over, but when they say "black lives matter" they don't mean all blacks, they mean black americans killed by white cops. So there is a lack of consistency, even when it just comes to the *type* of black victims they care about.

There will be no marches nor murals painted for the 9 yr. old black kid shot to death in Chicago on the final day of July. CNN will not gather together a panel of black democrats to discuss how 15 people at a funeral in Chicago were shot and that the funeral was for someone who was *himself* killed via being shot. Cuz those optics do not look too good, but a white cop kneeling on a black guys neck? Ah, perfecto!

Originally posted by BackFire
I see your point. You don’t have to go back hundreds of years though for examples. Take all the various Christian presidents we’ve had recently and then look at all the people they’ve killed and wars they’ve waged. It was Bush I think who said god talks to him and so by his own words god essentially told him to do these terrible things.

I think more Christians need to actually follow te idea of “what would Jesus do?”

world would be better if all the christians and definitely all the islamists just asked what would jesus do, this is correct

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yeah, Bush got messages from God! Funny stuff. Blair also go messages too. It must have been hilarious, albeit a little sickening listening to those two. "God told me, did he tell you?" "Nah, he left out the bit about bombing them back to the stone age, but said he wasn't prepared to kill all the first born this time either".

That is just monumentally embarrassing to the folks that believe that, what makes it worse is they don't even know it.

Hate to break this to you guys, but religious people thinking their deity is speaking to them directly is quite common.

And now add in that anyone who wants to run the country is arrogant as f*ck

It's not a Christian thing though, I'm sure some moron is out there thinking Muhammad is telling him things in between his kiddie diddling.