Originally posted by BackFire
History disagrees.
Nah, it doesn't. I assume you're referring to the crusades and the Inquisitions when you say that but what you don't get is that those people were not actual bible-believing Christians (actually many of the victims of the Inquisitions were true Christians), they were Roman catholics. And even if they were actual Christians, the number of people killed by dictators who had strong evolutionary beliefs (Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc.. ) are much greater than those killed by those "Christians".
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Oh Surt, you try so hard on this subject. But no matter how hard you try 3 million less is always a smaller number than 3 million more.
I never disagreed with that, I merely point out it is irrelevant. We do not go by the popular vote. You can disagree with it, but it is what it is.
Originally posted by Surtur
I never disagreed with that, I merely point out it is irrelevant. We do not go by the popular vote. You can disagree with it, but it is what it is.
He can't let it go. He needs his little pretend winning. People who cling to the "Hillary won da popular vote her derp" are pretend winning. Yes, she apparently won that (though I'm skeptical) it is totally irrelevant so shouldn't even be brought up. But lefties need to soothe their butthurt so they use that as well as the "Russia! Russia!! Russia!!" excuse.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Nah, it doesn't. I assume you're referring to the crusades and the Inquisitions when you say that but what you don't get is that those people were not actual bible-believing Christians (actually many of the victims of the Inquisitions were true Christians), they were Roman catholics. And even if they were actual Christians, the number of people killed by dictators who had strong evolutionary beliefs (Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc.. ) are much greater than those killed by those "Christians".
Ah so the no true scotsman fallacy. Gotcha. Compelling argument.
Originally posted by cdtm
Christians don't believe Catholics are Christians. Never have, and that stands true to this day.
That is true for some Christian denominations and people, although historically the Roman Catholic church was the main form of Christianity for a thousand years, while Protestant Christianity is a newer movement.
@cdtm: It's not like Roman Catholics have a long history of treating non-catholic believers well. During the Inquisitions, for instance, true Christians were among the many victims who were tortured and slaughtered by the Roman Catholic church. Bloody Mary, a devout catholic and the Queen of England for a time, had hundreds of protestants/non-Catholics burned at the stake for not accepting roman Catholicism. It's why she is known as "bloody Mary."
As I've said many times before, I do not hate roman Catholics, I just don't like their religion which has many anti-biblical doctrines it teaches. I don't think all catholics are unsaved either. As long as they put their complete faith in Christ and what He did for us and not their pope, or Mary, or themselves or their own works then they will be saved just like everyone else will be who puts their faith in Jesus Christ , regardless of what they call themselves or what else they believe.
Originally posted by Artol
That is true for some Christian denominations and people, although historically the Roman Catholic church was the main form of Christianity for a thousand years, while Protestant Christianity is a newer movement.
No, Roman Catholicism has NEVER, EVER been true Christianity. The early church fathers basically surrendered to the idea of the church joining with Rome. It has never been truly Christian since then. Romanism has absolutlely NOTHING to do with real christianity, dude... nothing. So take those Satanic lies somewhere else.
Originally posted by Surtur
Then they should be setting the Quran ablaze too. But they won't.
Or the Talmud.
Don't forget, it's only okay to hate white people and Christians.
Originally posted by BackFire
History disagrees.
Strongly depends on which history you want to Cherry pick, really.
Originally posted by BackFire
Ah so the no true scotsman fallacy. Gotcha. Compelling argument.
I was thinking the same thing. But, in this case, he is correct - literally doing the things that are not part of their own belief system. There was nothing in contemporary canon that justified the Inquisitions and persecutions. In fact, their very own canon condemns their actions and they were acting in direct opposition to their belief system.
This is why having scriptural canon is awesome: "No true Scotsman" fallacy is not always applicable and you can call assholes out for not following the very basics of their religion. 🙂
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is not inconsistent to treat relevantly dissimilar things differently. Christians are overrepresented in American politics. For reference, 88.2% of Congresspeople are Christian, and only .6% are Muslim. That 471 Christians to only 3 Muslims. Why they hell should anyone treat Islam as equally influential and concerning as Christianity in these matters whatsoever? It is bullshit equalization.
The facts just do not agree with you.
Percent of US that is Muslim: 1.1%
3/471 is close to the population ratio.
Percent of US that is Christian: 78%
Percent of Congress that is Christian: 87%
Non-christian members in congress: 63.
The best statement you can make about religion and congress is that Christians are slightly over-represented in Congress by a bit less than 10%.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
No, Roman Catholicism has NEVER, EVER been true Christianity. The early church fathers basically surrendered to the idea of the church joining with Rome. It has never been truly Christian since then. Romanism has absolutlely NOTHING to do with real christianity, dude... nothing. So take those Satanic lies somewhere else.
I understand that you believe that, and that is a very strongly held belief by some in America, but that's not really how it has been viewed historically or is viewed around the world currently.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Or the Talmud.Don't forget, it's only okay to hate white people and Christians.
Strongly depends on which history you want to Cherry pick, really.
I was thinking the same thing. But, in this case, he is correct - literally doing the things that are not part of their own belief system. There was nothing in contemporary canon that justified the Inquisitions and persecutions. In fact, their very own canon condemns their actions and they were acting in direct opposition to their belief system.
This is why having scriptural canon is awesome: "No true Scotsman" fallacy is not always applicable and you can call assholes out for not following the very basics of their religion. 🙂
Maybe all the extreme violence that god commits to nonbelievers in the Bible. Or in some cases against believers too.
And I don’t think you need to cherry pick. Just look at history and you will see that Christians are as capable as any group towards violence. Even if they should be very non violent based on their savior.
BF: Again though, you seem to think that everyone who calls themself a Christian is actually a Christian. Adolf Hitler, for example, pretended to be a Christian in public but behind closed doors and in his private thoughts (which he me made public thru written works) he made it clear that he actually hated Christianity. The Bible tells us that you can judge a person by the fruit they produce. Someone like Hitler produced only bad fruit (millions of murdered jews, for example). Do you actually truly believe he could be classified as a Christian just because he called himself one in public?
I wasn’t really referring to hitler. But I agree Christians should be peaceful and loving people and those who aren’t yet call themselves Christians are missing the point of all the teachings. Despite myself being an atheist I have great respect for Jesus and his teachings.
I think this is somewhat true for all religions. All can be perverted by those seeking violence. They can take certain passages from whatever scripture they choose and use that to justify violence. See that a lot in Islam right now.