Black Lives Matter thread

Started by Surtur159 pages
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
As a defendent in a criminal case, Rittenhouse is entitled to what his victims never had, a fair trial to test that. What he undoubtedly is, is an example of how words can create real word drama and tragedy. Whatever the outcome of the Rittenhouse case, prosecution—with all necessary safeguards for the civil liberties of the defendant—may well serve the useful purpose of deterring future Rittenhouses and other idiots discussed on this forum like Zimmerman, and McMichaels. Would-be vigilantes Larpers may think twice before taking actions that could kill others and subject themselves to extended investigation at best, and prison terms at worst.

No doubt the people chasing him would have stopped if he had only shouted "CAN WE JUST ARBITRATE THIS IN COURT?!?!"

Originally posted by Surtur
No doubt the people chasing him would have stopped if he had only shouted "CAN WE JUST ARBITRATE THIS IN COURT?!?!"
No doubt, if he had not imagined himself as a Policeman or Sheriff, whilst illegally carrying a loaded gun underage, he would not have been chased.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No doubt, if he had not imagined himself as a Policeman or Sheriff, whilst illegally carrying a loaded gun underage, he would not have been chased.

No doubt, if the local leaders had properly done their jobs, nobody would have ever felt the need to be out there protecting people and businesses.

Did u wanna just pivot and blame Trump now? I will allow it.

Originally posted by Surtur
No doubt, if the local leaders had properly done their jobs, nobody would have ever felt the need to be out there protecting people and businesses.

Did u wanna just pivot and blame Trump now? I will allow it.

I don't doubt Kyle was well meaning from his point of view and had bought into the rhetoric you are reproducing from the Blaze etc. He was an underage outsider who illegally came with a loaded rifle, allegedly to lend his services to the local police—a law-breaking civilian with no known training in law enforcement.

And such people, however well meaning, can surely be dangerous. Without the training and experience of professional law enforcement officers, who themselves often make errors in the way a Golfer chokes on a putt 🙂 they are more likely to overreact to the situations in which they find themselves and take actions with fatal consequences. As an adolescent this is even more likely, Indeed, their lack of experience and professionalism may actually provoke resistance whom these vigilantes are trying to combat, thereby justifying (in the mind of the vigilantes themselves, if not in reality) the killing of their victims. Life isn't like Kyle's video games.

Nice, so the teenager is on the hook while the city leaders that allowed the chaos get off scott free.

Predictable.

Originally posted by Surtur
Nice, so the teenager is on the hook while the city leaders that allowed the chaos get off scott free.

Predictable.

Surt, The suppression of vigilantism, through criminal prosecution or through the suppression of violence which provokes it, is not sufficient in and of itself, but it’s still a necessary step in the right direction of restoring public order. We need to look at the reason the violence all started in the first place why the Police are hated, Why there is a deviant underclass that feels persecuted, why racism in the Police is systemic. Why attinment ahd poverty is higher in certain sections of your great countries population. Larpers are not the answer.

Vigilantism is wrong, but nowhere near as wrong as mayors and governors allowing this chaos.

And as for the property vs life debate, yes property is more valuable than a criminals life if that criminal is attempting to destroy what an innocent citizen worked to build.

Originally posted by Surtur
Vigilantism is wrong, but nowhere near as wrong as mayors and governors allowing this chaos.
Well, we can say the whole system is wrong Governors and Presidents do not live in danger of riots. The reasons for the riots be they Agent provocateurs, fascists and communists, violence Police, criminals from a disadvantaged section of the populace do not affect them.
The rhetoric they spew can further division and the actions they take can create greater instability. I have taken part in three major demo's in the 80's, supporting the miners, the anti fascist movement in the UK, and the Poll tax all had the majority of the people behind them. The problem for the Police is the are often politicized and the rule of law puts them either against the people or between different factions. The answer is usually talking, words have power to create and diffuse problems.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Well, we can say the whole system is wrong Governors and Presidents do not live in danger of riots.

Lol they legit started a fire in the Portland mayors apartment building. You wanna try that again champ?

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol they legit started a fire in the Portland mayors apartment building. You wanna try that again champ?
Yeah, then he moved out. He was never at risk.

If that is what you wanna believe.

End of the day, mayor and governor have the blood of these people on their hands. This is why animals shouldn't be allowed to loot and burn.

At the end of the day the people who created the division and racial tension, subsequent to the error—like a golf putt from the Police Officer—that started this off and the Police Officers; that you know, stood on a mans neck and now blame each other—have to take some blame. I mean, Donny boy surely has done his best to stoke division for electoral purposes after all, and ginning up white racial resentment now might be one thing—perhaps the only thing—that can save his floundering campaign.

Okay good so the local leaders that signed the contracts for the police unions making it hard to hold cops accountable are to blame? Agreed.

Yea, the democrats really should take responsibility.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay good so the local leaders that signed the contracts for the police unions making it hard to hold cops accountable are to blame? Agreed.
Along with the general inherant racism in American society, that has been further stoked over the last four years by the POTUS.

Democrats control all the systems therefore systemic racism is their fault.

Even if you wanted to say u blame the cops for the reaction to what a few did you can't blame them for the leaders who allowed a violent reaction.

100+ days of unrest in Portland and those in power there are still just running their mouths about the cops. Yap yap yap. And if Trump wins in November these unintelligent weasels will not look within, but will just blame Russia.

My message to those folk:

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Along with the general inherant racism in American society, that has been further stoked over the last four years by the POTUS.

Nope you guys destroyed racism. You gang raped it before hand and then you blew its brains out. Such is the state of things that "racism" can now mean anything. Expecting people to be on time is racist.

If you want to see what real racism looks like, look at the democrats.