Black Lives Matter thread

Originally posted by The Lost
One would think that type of historical bearing would make a noticeable difference and shouldn't be trivialized. One was used as a title for individuals being forced to perform labor, being whipped/raped/beaten/murdered, getting burned on stakes, and more atrocities.

The other was used as mostly a title for Vanilla Ice.

One would think we wouldn't trivialize racism no matter who is behind it. You don't get to get away with murder just because someone else killed more people then you did. Both people do time. It's the same exact thing here.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
you clearly think that mentioning black drug lords WHO DO EXIST is painting all black people that way.

This is why you're out.

Not quite why. You're close, among many other reasons.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
I should also add that to me, media is not just the news, it's music, film television entertainments and magazines etc.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
news media

Why "add" that? The news media is what you mentioned so that is what I responded to.

Originally posted by Surtur
One would think we wouldn't trivialize racism no matter who is behind it. You don't get to get away with murder just because someone else killed more people then you did. Both people do time. It's the same exact thing here.

If the latter portion of your post is an analogy, if someone does something that is not as serious, they'd receive a fine and maybe community service. Consider my facetious approach to the term "cracker" a fine.

Racism is racism though. Who are you to judge how serious it is? You don't see the problem there? Either being racist to anyone is bad, or it isn't. There is no in between. There is no wiggle room, no racist leeway that is given.

Well, I did post the reasoning behind the judgments I've made.

I doubt you're in any shape to go problem seeking, since you've gone from highlighting varying degrees (somewhat) of racism in your analogy to, "Racism is racism."

I'd suggest avoiding a false dilemma the next time you nab a quick edit.

It's not a false dilemma, it's simple. Do you have anything else to add?

Originally posted by Surtur
It's not a false dilemma, it's simple. Do you have anything else to add?

You present a strong case.

Maybe. I'm not sure yet.

Let me put it another way since you talked about using "fines". Yes, there are various degree's of crimes, just like there are varying degree's of racism. What matters though is the magnitude, not the race. Thus you don't get as much time for theft as you do for murder. Likewise, calling someone a racial slur isn't as bad as lynching them because of the color of their skin. But no, you don't determine the level of racism by the color of the skin of the person being racist.

You and I differ because I believe the magnitude can almost completely depend on the race, depending on the circumstance.

That in itself is racist, so congrats on that I guess.

I'd certainly say it is race-y or race-esque. I did mention the word "race." There's that.

Originally posted by The Lost
Not quite why. You're close, among many other reasons.

Why "add" that? The news media is what you mentioned so that is what I responded to.

If the latter portion of your post is an analogy, if someone does something that is not as serious, they'd receive a fine and maybe community service. Consider my facetious approach to the term "cracker" a fine.

I wanted to clarify that this portrayal by big business exists and some black people celebrate this type of behaviour. It's institutional racism that affects black and white people and black lives matter is actually accentuating the issue and ignoring drug lords, instead calling all black people oppressed because #blacklivesmatter which is not the case. Drug lords who do this should be punished for their actions, not their race, but should also not get away with it because of their race.

Originally posted by The Lost
I'd certainly say it is race-y or race-esque. I did mention the word "race." There's that.

You are saying that when someone is being rude, race matters. That is racist. I'm not sure what else you'd call it. What you do is what matters, not what race you are.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
you denied the media celebrating gangsta culture and assert at racism as my assertion when the music industry, the entertainment industry, cinema and television celebrate this culture even if we take our differing opinions of the news or the media.

I wanted to clarify that this portrayal by big business exists and some black people celebrate this type of behaviour. It's institutional racism that affects black and white people and black lives matter is actually accentuating the issue and ignoring drug lords, instead calling all black people oppressed because #blacklivesmatter which is not the case. Drug lords who do this should be punished for their actions, not their race, but should also not get away with it because of their race.

"Drug lords" (again, it is curious that drug lords and gangsters are the forefront of your examples when mentioning black people/culture) should be disciplined. This does not mean that they have not suffered oppression or institutionalized racism simply because they've done something reprehensible.

If someone burns my hand with a lighter and I sell an eight ball to a teenager, it does not revoke the existence of a burn mark on my hand.

Originally posted by Surtur
You are saying that when someone is being rude, race matters. That is racist. I'm not sure what else you'd call it. What you do is what matters, not what race you are.

Yes, of course. That is definitely what I said.

You said magnitude depends on race.

Originally posted by Surtur
You said magnitude depends on race.

Yep, like a black person calling another black person the N word in certain context being separate from a white person calling a black person the N word.

Are we back to magnitude? We switched to rude there for a second. "Magnirude." A combo?

The Lost is a racist.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just curious, why do you think this is? Do you feel it is just racism? Is that the only reason? Are there no other factors in why this happens? Since I think the answer to that question is an uncomfortable truth some people do not want to face.

Well yeah, it IS racism, but as we all know, racism isn't as simple as a bunch of bigoted cops saying that they want to disenfranchise black people. It's a set of bias' and behaviors and wrongheaded forms of thinking that probably have been instilled in them ever since they were born. But speaking from secondhand knowledge from a father of one of my good friends who was a cop, cops do tend to be more racist in general than even the average person because they are being trained today to fear everybody. They aren't being trained to defuse tense and hostile situations anymore, they are being drilled that whenever they go outside, they WILL get shot at or attacked when in uniform, and that they need to treat every civilian as a potential enemy. That's insane, and it isolates these police, which in term makes them build up a resentment towards people, particularly black people, because they have a good reason to always be weary of them.

Originally posted by Surtur
I guess what bugs me is this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing cops have to deal with. Some black men killed by cops did not deserve death, but that is only some. Even when you have a cop where he is cleared by evidence and a court..it's just brushed off with a conspiracy. Oh the courts are racist, the coroner is racist. Everyone is willing to risk their freedoms and career's just to be racist towards blacks.

Yet studies have shown some cops are now gun shy about doing their job, and when I say gun shy I do not mean just shy about using their weapon, but about even stopping people. Yet people will also whine about this saying the cops aren't doing your jobs. Then someone ignorant will come in and go "err derr what are you saying either cops have to mow down everyone they see or not do their job?" which isn't what anyone is saying, but some of these incidents you don't have a lot of time to think or react and a hesitation on the part of the cop could cost him his life.

Then it gets even better...it's sometimes wrong to merely say "well just listen to what the cops tell you to do, within reason". If they are telling you to sacrifice your first born child then refuse. If they are telling you to shut the f*ck up and stop moving then you shut the f*ck up and stop moving. If they say don't run then DO NOT run. If they tell you to put out a motherf*cking cigarette just put it out, take your ticket, and move on. If you disagree then fight it in court. I have fought tickets and won.

I also want to say that being poor and uneducated is not an excuse to be a violent criminal. It's just not. No, I don't care if you live in poverty. Well sure I care as in..I wouldn't wish actual poverty on someone, but if you're going to try to rob me because you are poor then all bets are off you don't really deserve the consideration of "well he is poor". These are not poor street urchins like Alladin stealing loaves of bread just to survive. I mean you can't eat a pair of air jordans. Or I guess you could but it would be unpleasant. Likewise, shooting a rival gang member in the face doesn't put food on the table, nor accidentally killing 3 innocent people in the attempt suddenly feed you. I mean is this a "Lost Boys" situation from Hook where we just imagine super hard that there is actual food there and then it appears? Just like some of these "poor" people are out there wearing expensive clothes and gold chains while living in houses that look like absolute piles of shit. When nice clothes and gold chains and a fancy car are the most important things in your life of course you will be poor.

I've seen people who don't have a pot to piss in, but they sure do have the nice designer clothes and all this other shit. Why is image more important to some people then food?

Cops are supposed to be public servants, meaning the public has every damn right to demand better treatment. I do feel bad for honest police, which I believe are the vast majority, but the vocal minority ones who complain about emotional distress from being criticized by the news media or the internet because they threatened to shoot a reporter on TV can go cry me a river.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Gang violence is a serious problem and no one denies that, but so is institutional racism and police brutality.

Originally posted by The Lost
[B]Yep, like a black person calling another black person the N word in certain context being separate from a white person calling a black person the N word.

But when a black person calls another black person the N word it usually isn't meant as racism. Or if it is then holy shit every single black person needs to stop whining about racism because then most of them are hardcore racists. Literally every rap song is chalk full of racism. Who knew Tupac and Jay Z just plain hate blacks? Poor guy, no wonder he was so self destructive.

You are being racist by saying it's more acceptable for a black to use racial slurs against a white then it is for whites to use them against blacks. You certainly attempt to dress that up in another way, but that is what you are essentially doing.