Black Lives Matter thread

I assume after marching with MLK jr. John Lewis went and fought in Vietnam? I'd love to know some of his deeds, did he get any medals?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Dodging the draft is not a bad thing.

It also has nothing really to even do with what was being talked about. This man being a civil rights icon doesn't make him immune to criticism, especially when he is the one who initiated the entire thing in the first place, all the while lying to us about it as well.

Various articles about this would genuinely seem to mention Lewis initiated this..at the end of the article. One article I read after Trump had pointed out how Lewis lied said Trump was "technically" correct lol. When someone uses that word in that context it makes me assume there are some specific details that need to be raised, an asterisk of sorts. But nope, it's just..dude made a point of saying he'd never boycotted an inauguration and he boycotted the inauguration of Bush in 2000.

Originally posted by riv6672
Sure it is.

EDIT: I should clarify: conscription for the purpose of waging an offensive war(e.g. Vietnam) is highly immoral. It's a lot more palatable when the war is defensive.

Be honest, everyone knows the real reason you're against the draft.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It's not. The draft is a kind of conscription and conscription is highly immoral.

EDIT: I should clarify: conscription for the purpose of waging an offensive war(e.g. Vietnam) is highly immoral. It's a lot more palatable when the war is defensive.

I can agree, since we had no pearl harbor or anything like that for Vietnam. Nobody attacked us or declared war on us. We even installed a dictator into South Vietnam that treated his people quite horribly(that's how we do).

If you were in college you could get out of it, so a lot of people who ended up going to Vietnam were the poorer people. So I don't know Trumps draft history, but I suspect he avoided it by being in college.

If at the time I was given a choice between college and Vietnam, I'd have chosen college as well.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It's not. The draft is a kind of conscription and conscription is highly immoral.

EDIT: I should clarify: conscription for the purpose of waging an offensive war(e.g. Vietnam) is highly immoral. It's a lot more palatable when the war is defensive.

I have more respect for someone who 'moves to Canada', than someone who stays here while refusing to do what others do.

Not that it matters. People who dont respect themselves will hardly care about the opinion of others.

The draft is an awful, anti american idea that can only be excused under the most dire of circumstances. I don't begrudge anyone for avoiding the draft, I'd probably do the same if the government attempted to force me to go fight and potentially die in a war I had no stake in.

Hah, a lot of seniors who were the sons of farmers actually insisted on going. One of my grandfathers had an exemption, as most farmers kids did, but he insisted on going anyways. His father warned him if he left, there wouldn't be any farm to return to.

So he did, and his father carried out the threat.

Different times, I guess, and a different war. But you've got to admire that, especially when many other kids at the time probably took advantage of whatever they could to get out of going...

Are you talking about WWII? I think it's understandable in a case like that, but for something unnecessary like Vietnam, or pretty much any war since then, absolutely not.

Originally posted by riv6672
If you dont fulfill/disagree with the obligations imposed by your govt. on you as a citizen, you shouldnt get any of the benefits of citizenship.

I have more respect for someone who 'moves to Canada', than someone who stays here while refusing to do what others do.

Not that it matters. People who dont respect themselves will hardly care about the opinion of others.

Nope.
You have every right to dodge the draft if you feel its [insert your rhetoric here]. And if you leave the Country when you do, much respect for standing by your beliefs.
If you stay in the Country enjoying its benefits while your fellow Countrymen die in your stead, you're a punk ass pussy.

The Royal you, of course, not you personally, except for the one in bold print, as i didnt feel like copy pasting that crap.

Originally posted by riv6672
Nope.
You have every right to dodge the draft if you feel its [insert [b]your rhetoric here]. And if you leave the Country when you do, much respect for standing by your beliefs.
If you stay in the Country enjoying its benefits while your fellow Countrymen die in your stead, you're a punk ass pussy.

The Royal you, of course, not you personally, except for the one in bold print, as i didnt feel like copy pasting that crap. [/B]

Frankly, I'd much rather be called a 'punk ass pussy' than become a war-slave for the government(not the country, there's a difference) and give up my bodily integrity in the name of some insane overseas war. Moreover, I don't get this collectivist attitude of 'well, your countrymen are being abused and stripped of their rights, you should allow the same be done to you. You're just some punk ass pussy otherwise!'

Now, who would call YOU a punk ass pussy? Thats just insane.

Originally posted by riv6672
Now, who would call YOU a punk ass pussy? Thats just insane.

He who hesitates is lost, but certainly not a punk ass pussy.

Originally posted by riv6672
He who hesitates is lost, but certainly not a punk ass pussy.

Seems you've discoveted the secret to world peace. Only fight in wars you're cordially invited to, and feel comfortable attending. 😆

Originally posted by riv6672
Seems you've discoveted the secret to world peace. Only fight in wars you're cordially invited to, and feel comfortable attending. 😆

I know you have me on ignore, but this needs to be said: that's kinda how we did it during WW2. We didn't feel "comfortable" getting involved until we were "invited to" by Japan directly attacking us and Hitler declaring war on the USA. We sat back for 2 years..content to let events play out, until we were directly attacked.

The downside of WW2(aside from the obvious) was our military power vastly increased. Now? The military industrial complex never wants to stop waging some kind of war.

Originally posted by riv6672
Seems you've discoveted the secret to world peace. Only fight in wars you're cordially invited to, and feel comfortable attending. 😆

^^^Better someone else than you; got it.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Better someone else than you; got it.