Black Lives Matter thread

Originally posted by Surtur
I understand that they are not supposed to be taken as facts, but the problem is people do take them as such. Not every single person, but it's not like it is only a minority of people.

And this demonization of intellectuals and scholars is very troubling.

Originally posted by Firefly218
You're moving far away from the initial point. There is literally no record whatsoever of the student dispute at UCLA happening that I can find. It seems to be a complete fabrication, meant to stoke controversy and anger towards "crazy libs".

And this demonization of intellectuals and scholars is very troubling.

I found some links about it:

http://dailybruin.com/2013/11/20/students-defend-professor-after-sit-in-over-racial-climate/

and

http://dailybruin.com/2013/11/14/ucla-grad-students-stage-sit-in-following-recent-discrimination-report/

This is not something that happened recently, but a few years ago apparently. Those links seem to be from the newspaper of the campus.

Originally posted by Surtur
I found some links about it:

http://dailybruin.com/2013/11/20/students-defend-professor-after-sit-in-over-racial-climate/

and

http://dailybruin.com/2013/11/14/ucla-grad-students-stage-sit-in-following-recent-discrimination-report/

This is not something that happened recently, but a few years ago apparently.

Nora Cisneros, a graduate student who participated in the sit-in, said the group chose to hold their protest because they feel Rust’s class does not encourage a climate where students of color can discuss issues of race openly.

Student-professor conflicts are bound to happen from time to time. I wouldn't consider this evidence that crazy extremist SJWs are a plague infecting America...

But, as per those links, some of what they are whining about is grammar corrections. This is not something a sane person finds racist.

Also keep in mind I found those links after a 60 second google search, how hard did you truly look for a record of this?

Originally posted by Surtur
But, as per those links, some of what they are whining about is grammar corrections. This is not something a sane person finds racist.

Also keep in mind I found those links after a 60 second google search, how hard did you truly look for a record of this?

Reverse image search doesn't come up with shit other than twitter posts from trump supporters so...

Originally posted by Firefly218
Grammar corrections themselves aren't racist. Perhaps if a professor only corrects the grammar from black students but leaves the white students alone, that could be seen as racial profiling. I'm not saying that's what happened, but if it did then it's discrimination don't you agree?

Sure that is discrimination, but that isn't even what those claiming it's racist say happened.

Don't you agree someone is not a rational adult if they feel a teacher correcting the grammar or spelling of a minority is racism?

Reverse image search doesn't come up with shit other than twitter posts from trump supporters so...

All you did was a reverse image search? Okay.

Originally posted by cdtm
^^^

And it happened two more times. Guess what the university did?

I'm starting to feel sorry for untenured college professors... It's obvious they're not respected or valued in the least by the various trustee's/boards of administration. The slightest controversey, and they're thrown under the bus..

Isnt there like a teachers union to back them up at times like this? Or is it in place and useless?

Can't help but feel folks suddenly vanished once the story was proven to be true.

Now that it has been proven to be true, does anyone have any thoughts? Besides revelations like "if they corrected the grammar of a black student but not a white student it is racist". Which just to be clear, isn't what happened.

So, thoughts?

Originally posted by Firefly218
And this demonization of intellectuals and scholars is very troubling.

Anti-intellectualism is the go-to tactic of dictators and authoritarian types, you convince the masses to view the ones who ask the difficult questions as enemies of the people/state

Originally posted by Robtard
Anti-intellectualism is the go-to tactic of dictators and authoritarian types, you convince the masses to view the ones who ask the difficult questions as enemies of the people/state

Keeping people ignorant is a way to consolidate power. It is why Republicans want to eliminate the Department of Education, privatize public schools out of existence, encourage high school students to attend trade schools instead of college, and ensure the college remains unaffordable.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Keeping people ignorant is a way to consolidate power. It is why Republicans want to eliminate the Department of Education, privatize public schools out of existence, encourage high school students to attend trade schools instead of college, and ensure the college remains unaffordable.

But it wasn't anti-intellectualism, but rather some mentally ill students making something out of nothing.

Stuff like what they did is really no better than anti-intellectualism.

I believe Firefly was talking in the general sense

Originally posted by Robtard
I believe Firefly was talking in the general sense

What are your thoughts on the specific story?

I wonder if these students were even reprimanded for trying to smear this teachers reputation.

Originally posted by Surtur
What are your thoughts on the specific story?

I wonder if these students were even reprimanded for trying to smear this teachers reputation.

The larger point is taking small incidents like this and magnifying them to attack Universities and College bodies is ridiculous. Colleges are some of the most diverse institutions in the country, admitting students from the conservative south, liberal north and internationally from countries like China, India, Germany, France etc... You cannot accuse Colleges of being a bubble.

Originally posted by Firefly218
This specific story is hardly important. If it was fabricated I'd be angry, but now that I see it's true it's cool. If the students were smearing the teacher because they got low grades or something they're just assholes. If the professor was using different grading standards for different color students he's an *******. We don't for sure know which it is.

The larger point is taking small incidents like this and magnifying them to attack Universities and College bodies is ridiculous. Colleges are some of the most diverse institutions in the country, admitting students from the conservative south, liberal north and internationally from countries like China, India, Germany, France etc... You cannot accuse Colleges of being a bubble.

Originally posted by Firefly218
This specific story is hardly important. If it was fabricated I'd be angry, but now that I see it's true it's cool. If the students were smearing the teacher because they got low grades or something they're just assholes. If the professor was using different grading standards for different color students he's an *******. We don't for sure know which it is.

The students never even claimed he had different standards for whites. They said the mere fact he dared to correct their grammar and spelling was racism.

The larger point is taking small incidents like this and magnifying them to attack Universities and College bodies is ridiculous.

When you thought it was an example of anti-intellectualism you were more than happy to apparently try to magnify that issue. Let me guess, that is different, right? Of course it is.

Originally posted by Scribble
Don't you understand!? We have to keep our youth away from colleges, it's the only way to proper learnding them some life lessons!! Them damn book learnin' places ain't shit but liberal lies and something something Clinton!

Nobody said keep them away from college, but I absolutely love how it was important enough for others to demand a valid source and then rant about anti-intellectualism, but then once a valid source is shown it is "meh, no biggie". But hey, sarcasm and stuff 👆

^ Nowhere on the links you provided does it say students had a problem with grammar correction itself. The students are claiming that the professor used grammar corrections as a means to express microaggressions towards people of color.

And it's not about the story itself, it's about how the story is used. Clearly this story is being used to generalize and attack college students as crazy sjws, when in reality that's not the case.

Even if these students are assholes, they're only 25 in number. That's not representative of anything.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Keeping people ignorant is a way to consolidate power. It is why Republicans want to eliminate the Department of Education, privatize public schools out of existence, encourage high school students to attend trade schools instead of college, and ensure the college remains unaffordable.

"We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated." -Donald J. Trump Feb 2016

All politicians love the uneducated. Trump is just the only one dumb enough to admit it.