Rahm Kota vs. Count Dooku (TK Battle)

Started by FreshestSlice3 pages
FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Syndicate
Except it is... We can see Rahm casually deflecting Galen's force attacks at the beginning of the fight and then being overwhelmed at the end as he begins to tire. We can see this in the other fights I mentioned. So...

Uh, no. That doesn't mean his "Force reserves," which isn't a thing, were running low, it means he was weaker than the attacks Marek was using, and considering Dooku gained his "reserves" back in seconds, you'd lose on two front if anything.

And?

So TKing them, especially in TFU, isn't the most impressive thing in the world.

But you did... And you're going to have to name a superior feat for Dooku in that case.

TKing Anakin, Obi-Wan, Ventress, several Nightsisters, Savage, and even lifting orbalisks is more impressive than anything Marek or Kota has done at this point in the story. Ripping up a bunch of computers is something EU Jedi do casually.

It doesn't make any difference in that his feats are superior and you have nothing to counter me with.

Except they aren't, and I have. The fact he can rip computers is nice. It's combat feats against competent Jedi that win battles. And Dooku has TK'd far superior opponents than Kota has faced, let alone beat. In anything, honestly.

Syndicate Senior Member

Then how do you explain Rahm being able to repel Galen's attacks casually at the beginning of their fight? Also Dooku was suffering through force exhaustion, while he could use the force to replenish himself physically once he ran out of power to draw from he was screwed.

How is lifting obelisks or TK'ing these characters superior to tearing an entire control station from a TIE factory. I'm genuinely curious.

Rip computers? I'm talking about him ripping a station off the the factory its attached to and sending it plummeting towards Nar Shaddaa.

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EmperorSidious2 Master of Magic

Originally posted by Syndicate
Then how do you explain Rahm being able to repel Galen's attacks casually at the beginning of their fight? Also Dooku was suffering through force exhaustion, while he could use the force to replenish himself physically once he ran out of power to draw from he was screwed.

How is lifting obelisks or TK'ing these characters superior to tearing an entire control station from a TIE factory. I'm genuinely curious.

Rip computers? I'm talking about him ripping a station off the the factory its attached to and sending it plummeting towards Nar Shaddaa.

Well one is the effort it took.

Two: really Kota just tore of the beam that connected it really, then it just fell. Dooku actually lifted those obalisk and kept them in the air.

Third: Like Fresh said its really hard to imagine any person during the Clone Wars era being able to compete let alone beat Dooku, who isn't Windu, Yoda, or Anakin as of Invisble Hand, and Sidious in any sort of contest.

cs_zoltan Senior Member
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Third: Like Fresh said its really hard to imagine any person during the Clone Wars era being able to compete let alone beat Dooku, who isn't Windu, Yoda, or Anakin as of Invisble Hand, and Sidious in any sort of contest.

While I don't think Kota can beat Dooku, do note that his prime is not the CW, but 16 years later.

EmperorSidious2 Master of Magic
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
While I don't think Kota can beat Dooku, do note that his prime is not the CW, but 16 years later.

Yea, but still I'm not seeing how anyone from that era, could stand up to Dooku unless he was one of the ones I mentioned, even though yes his prime was 16 years later.

cs_zoltan Senior Member
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea, but still I'm not seeing how anyone from that era, could stand up to Dooku unless he was one of the ones I mentioned, even though yes his prime was 16 years later.

Why not? It's not like Dooku is untouchable.

Vos manage to more than contend with him 😘

Barriss, who was a nobody, could contend with Anakin.

The CW Jedi Order was full of young jedi who had great potential but got ****ed up by Order 66. A lot of them could've made it to Dooku tier.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Syndicate
Then how do you explain Rahm being able to repel Galen's attacks casually at the beginning of their fight?

Marek, not wanting to be an idiot, doesn't go all out in the beginning of a fight.

Also Dooku was suffering through force exhaustion, while he could use the force to replenish himself physically once he ran out of power to draw from he was screwed.

And like I just said, that went away in seconds. It's not even Force exhaustion. That's not a thing. It's just being tired, which passes pretty quickly when you have magic powers. He lost to Anakin because Anakin was far more powerful than he was. Vader lost to Marek because Marek was more powerful than he was then. It's really that simple.

How is lifting obelisks or TK'ing these characters superior to tearing an entire control station from a TIE factory. I'm genuinely curious.

Because these characters can actually fight back and have TK showings of their own, for starters. But then you're entire argument hinges TFU being comprable to the movies, which is dumb, and Starkiller having bamf shields at this point, which is even dumber when we have Starkiller being TK'd by randoms long after this confrontation. Unless you think they're well above Dooku, and in that case you can just stop posting.

Rip computers? I'm talking about him ripping a station off the the factory its attached to and sending it plummeting towards Nar Shaddaa.

If that had actually happened, everyone would have died. Which is something he states he was trying to do. Too bad it didn't happen. Where as in TOR we have Jedi casually throwing down buildings. Guess they must be Dooku level as well.

EmperorSidious2 Master of Magic

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Why not? It's not like Dooku is untouchable.

Vos manage to more than contend with him 😘

Barriss, who was a nobody, could contend with Anakin.

The CW Jedi Order was full of young jedi who had great potential but got ****ed up by Order 66. A lot of them could've made it to Dooku tier.

Of course I mean in a TK battle, but in an all out battle the names stay the same with the exception of Vos, when in that state of mind. An average Vos, and possibly average Anakin would be off the list.

Yea, but none of them did, which is what I'm saying. Dooku made it to a high level of power and skill that very few others did, under normal circumstances, and Rham Kota isn't/wasn't one of them.

cs_zoltan Senior Member
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea, but none of them did, which is what I'm saying. Dooku made it to a high level of power and skill that very few others did, under normal circumstances, and Rham Kota isn't/wasn't one of them.

They didn't, because they died. Duh. The path of the Jedi is a lot slower than that of the Sith. Dooku was 83 years old when he died and spend 12 years of those as a sith. So obviously almost all jedi won't compare to him, unless they are prodigies like Mace or Anakin.
That doesn't mean with decades more improvement the likes of Aayla, Barriss, Luminara etc couldn't be Dooku tier.

I'm still not arguing that Kota would win, but saying only because he wasn't even on Dooku's radar during the CW then he can absolutely not contend (or win) with Dooku 16 years later is silly.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

I mean that'd be true if Kota wasn't already well into middle aged during the Clone Wars and the fact that Dooku was a Jedi at the same time as him, with Dooku obviously being superior.

cs_zoltan Senior Member
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I mean that'd be true if Kota wasn't already well into middle aged during the Clone Wars and the fact that Dooku was a Jedi at the same time as him, with Dooku obviously being superior.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I'm still not arguing that Kota would win.

Anyway I don't think he's any older than Obi-Wan.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Obi-Wan is old as **** tho

cs_zoltan Senior Member
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Obi-Wan is old as **** tho

He was younger in ANH than Qui-Gon in TPM.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

That just makes Qui -Gon old too, honestly.

cs_zoltan Senior Member
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That just makes Qui -Gon old too, honestly.

To retract to my original point: It's logically possible for Kota to be superior to Dooku, because of the time passed and the slower path of the Jedi. Kota wasn't actually shit during the CW anyway, just undocumented.

Dooku wins, because he has better feats, not because of Kota's alleged status during the CW.

Zenwolf Senior Member

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
To retract to my original point: It's logically possible for Kota to be superior to Dooku, because of the time passed and the slower path of the Jedi. Kota wasn't actually shit during the CW anyway, just undocumented.

Dooku wins, because he has better feats, not because of Kota's alleged status during the CW.

Eh Kota wasn't that undocumented, the Empire did have a file on him and he was noted as a respected General during the CW and a military genius. Unless you mean undocumented in the way of feats, alright then yeah.

cs_zoltan Senior Member
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Eh Kota wasn't that undocumented, the Empire did have a file on him and he was noted as a respected General during the CW and a military genius. Unless you mean undocumented in the way of feats, alright then yeah.

Yes, out of universe undocumented.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
To retract to my original point: It's logically possible for Kota to be superior to Dooku, because of the time passed and the slower path of the Jedi.

Kenobi's prime was RotS, as far as we know, so you really can't make that conclusion either.

Kota wasn't actually shit during the CW anyway, just undocumented.

Not being shit isn't really enough to make the leap to Dooku-tier.

Dooku wins, because he has better feats, not because of Kota's alleged status during the CW.

Obviously that alone wouldn't make Kota a footnote, it's a combination of things.