Nite Owl Vs Black Widow

Originally posted by FrothByte
Fodder. And he was strong enough that his hits were breaking bones. Who's the most impressive person Black Widow beat in the movies? And if you're going to say Hawkeye, please also list the most impressive h2h feats that Hawkeye has to prove that he was actually an accomplished h2h fighter.

Hawkeye, chitari, Ultron bots, Trained Sheild/Hydra agents vs. Thugs for Nite Owl.

Also Hawkeye has brief moments of H2H fighting vs. Chitari (when not using arrows), Ultron bots , and soldiers in U. Klaws base. Looked pretty good to me. Definitely in the watchmen tier.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Hawkeye, chitari, Ultron bots, Trained Sheild/Hydra agents vs. Thugs for Nite Owl.

Also Hawkeye has brief moments of H2H fighting vs. Chitari (when not using arrows), Ultron bots , and soldiers in U. Klaws base. Looked pretty good to me. Definitely in the watchmen tier.

Again, show me feats of Widow fighting PURE h2h. As far as I recall, she fought the Ultron bots and Chitauri with weapons. When did she fight Hydra agents?

As for Hawkeye, I don't recall him ever fighting in pure h2h. He'd always use either his bow, arrow or knife in melee.

Besides, are we discussing this fight as a h2h match or are we allowing weapons for the fighters?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Heck, I didn't know we were allowing weapons. Because if that's the case then shouldn't Niteowl be allowed his owl chopper?

It was never specified to be H2H, in which case forum rules dictate standard gear. And vehicles are not really considered standard gear. Do we suddenly give Batman all his vehicles in a standard gear fight? No, we give him all the stuff he carries as standard on his person.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Fodder. And he was strong enough that his hits were breaking bones. Who's the most impressive person Black Widow beat in the movies? And if you're going to say Hawkeye, please also list the most impressive h2h feats that Hawkeye has to prove that he was actually an accomplished h2h fighter.

This is ironic, considering you are basing Nite Owl's skill off of beating prison fodder. And considering you were using "credentials" to argue for the SHIELD agents depowered Thor fought in another thread, aliens/trained HYDRA soldiers/Ultron bots > street thugs and inmates. So before you try to claim that their skill is comparable, exactly who did Nite Owl beat that even has comparable credentials/implied skill to a top level SHIELD agent?

Also, lol at this laser nonsense. Yes he had a laser. Which he used ineffectually once to stop a chair tossed directly at him. Widow's feats with guns shit all over that single feat. And Hawkeye, the guy who can hit speeding alien flyers without even looking, missed her at close range.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And considering you were using "credentials" to argue for the SHIELD agents depowered Thor fought in another thread, aliens/trained HYDRA soldiers/Ultron bots > street thugs and inmates.

Hmmm... you got me there. Got no rebuttal for that one. Guess that completely destroyed my argument.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Again, show me feats of Widow fighting PURE h2h. As far as I recall, she fought the Ultron bots and Chitauri with weapons. When did she fight Hydra agents?

As for Hawkeye, I don't recall him ever fighting in pure h2h. He'd always use either his bow, arrow or knife in melee.

Besides, are we discussing this fight as a h2h match or are we allowing weapons for the fighters?

Watch the vids I posted. She does plenty of H2H fighting.
She fought Hydra/shield guys in the Boat scene in the beginning of Winter Soldier.

Well, put it this way. H2H I agree. Nite Owl wins. But Widow has too much stuff as standard, that she knows how to use very effectively, for this to actually really be all that fair IMO. I mean even if Nite Owl is stronger and tougher, if Widow just manages to get her gauntlets at his throat (or any sensitive spot really) and give off one charge, that's already going to tip the match in her favour. You can be how tough, but if there are high levels of electricity flowing through you, it's going to throw you off. And she also has the mobile discs she can toss. And again, she also usually carries pistols she has displayed a good deal of accuracy with. Hell, she even has a grappling hook on those gauntlets, based on the bridge scene in TWS.

Thing with Nite Owl was, he seemed to be dressed for handling street level action. Widow gears up for large scale battles against armies of opponents. So she is always going to have an edge in a geared up battle.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, put it this way. H2H I agree. Nite Owl wins. But Widow has too much stuff as standard, that she knows how to use very effectively, for this to actually really be all that fair IMO. I mean even if Nite Owl is stronger and tougher, if Widow just manages to get her gauntlets at his throat (or any sensitive spot really) and give off one charge, that's already going to tip the match in her favour. You can be how tough, but if there are high levels of electricity flowing through you, it's going to throw you off. And she also has the mobile discs she can toss. And again, she also usually carries pistols she has displayed a good deal of accuracy with.

Thing with Nite Owl was, he seemed to be dressed for handling street level action. Widow gears up for large scale battles against armies of opponents. So she is always going to have an edge in a geared up battle.

So do we agree that in pure h2h, Nightowl will win, albeit with difficulty?

Yeah, H2H I would give a tough fight to Nite Owl. But what makes Widow so dangerous is her ability to combine her H2H/melee skills with the assortment of weapons and tech she carries, which makes her an extremely dangerous opponent when properly geared up.

how about she just lives up to her spider mofit and has sex with him to later on kill him?

just saying

Until Silk Spectre comes around for a booty call and walks in on them.

Widow wins this pretty handily. She's taken out worse than Nite Owl ever has.

Arachnid, you would agree that Luke Skywalker can defeat Captain America in a fight because he destroyed the death Star which is worse than anything Cap has ever taken out, correct?

Originally posted by marwash22
Arachnid, you would agree that Luke Skywalker can defeat Captain America in a fight because he destroyed the death Star which is worse than anything Cap has ever taken out, correct?

you ignored context to declare Widow the winner of this fight; logic dictated you'd ignore it other situations as well.

Originally posted by marwash22
you ignored context to declare Widow the winner of this fight; logic dictated you'd ignore it other situations as well.

you're ignoring the manner in which she was attacked by those things "worse" than thugs, and pretending Nite Owl will attack her in the same way.

Nite Owl isn't some dumb ass fodder Ultron-bot that will just fly around waiting to be hurricanrana'd.

please explain how she beats someone who has a better stats and a better long ranged weapon.

Originally posted by marwash22
you're ignoring the manner in which she was attacked by those things "worse" than thugs, and pretending Nite Owl will attack her in the same way.

Nite Owl isn't some dumb ass fodder Ultron-bot that will just fly around waiting to be hurricanrana'd.

please explain how she beats someone who has a better stats and a better long ranger weapon.

Until you can provide a clip of Nite Owl scoring a win against someone above a common thug, like an alien or Hawkeye, he doesn't have a chance. He has NO FEATs outside of a few thugs. Not one.

Now, if you want to argue that he pulls out a laser to cut her in half, you have to prove that its part of his standard gear, and not just something he brought because he was facing the biggest threat he ever faced (not that he was even effective with it when he used it). I definitely don't remember him ever pulling it out against any of the thugs he fought.

The fodder aliens had no h2h skill and Hawkeye (1) isn't on her level as a martial artist (2) was brainwashed (3) isn't nearly as strong as Nite Owl... and it still took her a long ass time to defeat him, by biting him, btw. lol.

in that same situation, Nite Owl would have ko'd Hawkeye in one hit.

When Nite Owl hits grown men, they go flying. When a legit meta punches and slams him with full force, he keeps fighting. Widow can't hurt him.

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Originally posted by marwash22
The fodder aliens had no h2h skill and Hawkeye (1) isn't on her level as a martial artist (2) was brainwashed (3) isn't nearly as strong as Nite Owl... and it still took her a long ass time to defeat him, by biting him, btw. lol.

in that same situation, Nite Owl would have ko'd Hawkeye in one hit.

When Nite Owl hits grown men, they go flying. When a legit meta punches and slams him with full force, he keeps fighting. Widow can't hurt him.

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TBH I wish Black Widow would huracarana me while I had my mouth open