Originally posted by cs_zoltan
And the canon novel authorized by GL isn't?
Uhh...
Originally posted by |King Joker|
So you'd rather take a statement from a novel written decades ago and apply it to today's canon, rather than a current statement from one of the heads of the story group/canon? That makes no sense.
Originally posted by |King Joker|Brah it took him over ten seconds to lift the things, that is not casual.
Well he did do it with one hand. It's not like we can see his facial expressions to judge exactly how much effort he put in but if it was very strenuous I think the animation would have reflected that instead of making him seem so nonchalant.
And while we can't glean anything from his facial expressions, his crouched stance suggests effort I feel.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceAgain not really, what's important is the fact that Vader was able to prevent an AT-AT from flattening him (whereas he failed to the fall of two AT-DPs), then proceeded to lift and crush it.
It's actually completely relevant to the statement you agreed with.
Irrespective of whether that was done with strain (though we can certainly rule out maximum effort as that would have been made explicit) it still strongly implies a far lesser feat would be accomplished with ease. Yet it was not.
This all being besides the point that improvement over a near decade period is simply common sense.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Again not really, what's important is the fact that Vader was able to prevent an AT-AT from flattening him (whereas he failed to the fall of two AT-DPs), then proceeded to lift and crush it.
Irrespective of whether that was done with strain (though we can certainly rule out maximum effort as that would have been made explicit) it still strongly implies a far lesser feat would be accomplished with ease. Yet it was not.
This all being besides the point that improvement over a near decade period is simply common sense.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingHow? Kanan and Ezra shoved him to the ground, so he had to lift the AT-STs starting from a position literally on his ass and then progress to a crouching position, then standing position. And he had them lifted only a few seconds after they fell on him, it took him ten seconds to stand upright, but like, come on, they were literally just on top of him and he had to start lifting them while on his back.
Brah it took him over ten seconds to lift the things, that is not casual.And while we can't glean anything from his facial expressions, his crouched stance suggests effort I feel.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceAppealing to ambiguity is nice and all, but it doesn't work when you actually make an effort to intepret the scene. Let me help you:
Except you don't know how long it took him to lift it, or how much effort
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4380317-0082750926-43734.png
Now we know Vader stopped its foot almost instantly otherwise it would have crushed him, and in the first panel the AT-AT is already showing signs of being crushed, so there's no reason to infer a time lapse. Then Han & Leia have a ten second conversation and in the next panel its off the ground. So he gripped and began crushing it almost instantly, and lifted it off the ground within several seconds. Not hard.
and you fail to acknowledge that Vader was knocked down at the time and somehow not crushed by much heavier than him AT-STs. 😬Because that's not what's important. What's important is that he failed to stop them collapsing on him, whereas he succeeded in stopping the greater downward force of an AT-AT's foot trying to squash him.
Right, because lifting up two heavy walkers in seconds while on your ass and on fire is a "lesser feat" than beginning to crush an AT-AT.How is being on his ass relevant? Did he throw out his back? A little woozy perhaps?
There is no reason to believe Vader's reclining position would have had any detriment on his ability to use the Force. On top of that we see him raise his hand to deflect the AT-DPs, so clearly he was able to sufficiently recover.
On the other hand an AT-AT is many hundreds of tonnes heavier than two AT-APs, and he Force gripped, crushed and lifted it. So yes of course its a lesser feat, no matter how you try and phrase it lol, and I'm fascinated to know of what basis you've decided them equivalent.
Not really. There are plenty of factors post ANH that could lead to Vader being less able to use his power if not grow desire to get to know that son he thought was dead.Of course, because making baseless (an pretty dumb) assumptions is preferable to taking Hidalgo not quite so literally.
But yes, I'm sure this is exactly what he was implying, and what he wanted to the fans to infer. 🙄
