WW3 Black Adam vs DOS Doomsday

Originally posted by leonidas
because dd is too strong for him to beat down. 😐

as was shown, adam was put on the ropes by hawkman--and he'd have been ko'd had he not stopped the beating. dd is MORE savage then even this adam, stronger than anyone adam faced, as fast as anyone and FAR more durable. you really think adam would have beat down superman had he been there and been trying? not this guy....

as for magic punches--still don't see it being a difference maker. dd can adapt very quickly. i think dd took time to raise his strength because superman raised his own efforts only very slowly. i don't see adam overwhelming dd at all, and after a couple punches dd would have figured it out. also, those punches may have been amped against prime, but they didn't do anything. and i don't think dd would have any magic weakness to begin with anyway. to win, adam would need to ko him almost immediately. there has never been any indication that ANY herald could be capable of doing that to doomsday. least not imo.

DD fought a much weaker Superman and died. Adam IS on a more powerful Superman's level. CURRENT Superman's level. If the latest version of Superman would've fought DOS DD, he would not have had as hard of a time as he did during DOS. I don't think you understand that the Superman DD fought is one of the weakest Superman in existence after the Pre Crisis era. Hell, scenes during the DOS story proves this. You're either low balling Adam or high balling Doomsday. If DOS Superman can kill Doomsday, I have no doubts that Adam would merk him. Also, using Hawkman as a high or average for Adam is as low as it can get, especially with you not taking into consideration the things that the same Superman that fought Doomsday was stalemated or beaten by. Let's not nitpick please because I can post scans of the characters mentioned here doing worse than what Adam did against Hawkman.

Originally posted by carver9
I can post scans of the characters mentioned here doing worse than what Adam did against Hawkman.

lol be my guest. i await eagerly. and your problem is assuming this was a 'weak' version of superman. 😂 your entire post became utterly irrelevant with that single comment. i could post some of that era's superman feats, but then i'd be taking away from the fun of abhi and phil to wreck you and your post. if they don't chime in in the next few days, i'll happily fill in the blanks for you and clear you of your obvious misconceptions.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol be my guest. i await eagerly. and your problem is assuming this was a 'weak' version of superman. 😂 your entire post became utterly irrelevant with that single comment. i could post some of that era's superman feats, but then i'd be taking away from the fun of abhi and phil to wreck you and your post. if they don't chime in in the next few days, i'll happily fill in the blanks for you and clear you of your obvious misconceptions.

You completely misunderstood my post. I never said he was weak, I said he is the weakest version of Superman and he is.

Lol...much worse than what Hawkman did? Lol, sure, I can do that. In the same arc in his fight against Doomsday, Superman was KOed by the backlash from an exploding gas station.

http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_max4.jpg.html
http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_max5.jpg.html

He wasn't even in the heart of the attack. I feel highly confident that the showing above is far worse than Hawkman amped mace hitting Black Adam.

Also, are you implying that DOS Superman is as powerful as the later versions of Superman?

Go carver, go.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol be my guest. i await eagerly. and your problem is assuming this was a 'weak' version of superman. 😂 your entire post became utterly irrelevant with that single comment. i could post some of that era's superman feats, but then i'd be taking away from the fun of abhi and phil to wreck you and your post. if they don't chime in in the next few days, i'll happily fill in the blanks for you and clear you of your obvious misconceptions.

I don't even want to participate in this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
You completely misunderstood my post. I never said he was weak, I said he is the weakest version of Superman and he is.

Lol...much worse than what Hawkman did? Lol, sure, I can do that. In the same arc in his fight against Doomsday, Superman was KOed by the backlash from an exploding gas station.

http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_max4.jpg.html
http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_max5.jpg.html

He wasn't even in the heart of the attack. I feel highly confident that the showing above is far worse than Hawkman amped mace hitting Black Adam.

Also, are you implying that DOS Superman is as powerful as the later versions of Superman?

Doomsday vs an amped J'onn.

http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dos_bloodwynd1.jpg

http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dos_bloodwynd2.jpg

http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/?action=view&current=dos_bloodwynd3.jpg

Combined energy blast.

I'd like to see Adam no sell an energy attack like that.

DD doesn't use energy attacks.

Originally posted by carver9
You completely misunderstood my post. I never said he was weak, I said he is the weakest version of Superman and he is.

Lol...much worse than what Hawkman did? Lol, sure, I can do that. In the same arc in his fight against Doomsday, Superman was KOed by the backlash from an exploding gas station.

http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_max4.jpg.html
http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/galanpics/media/dos_max5.jpg.html

He wasn't even in the heart of the attack. I feel highly confident that the showing above is far worse than Hawkman amped mace hitting Black Adam.

Also, are you implying that DOS Superman is as powerful as the later versions of Superman?

How was that mace amped? Did Alan Scott lend physical strength to Carter?

Did i miss something? Y is dos considered weak

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How was that mace amped? Did Alan Scott lend physical strength to Carter?

that was precisely what i was gonna ask. 👆 in fact, given the magical resistance of the marvels and adam, i'd have thought the magic mace would have done even LESS than usual....

as far as the gas station explosion--after spm v fl that may be the best known case of pis in forum history and i was sure that long ago that was ruled as inadmissible....

Originally posted by leonidas
that was precisely what i was gonna ask. 👆 in fact, given the magical resistance of the marvels and adam, i'd have thought the magic mace would have done even LESS than usual....

as far as the gas station explosion--after spm v fl that may be the best known case of pis in forum history and i was sure that long ago that was ruled as inadmissible....

👆 moreover, isn't Nth metal supposed to disrupt magical energy?

So Carter NOT using an Nth metal mace, actually boosts Adam.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, Batman never DID mention 'strength' as an advantage for Fernus.

There's Captain Marvel (old scan, though):
http://i.imgur.com/NLJz7ZQ.jpg

Martian Manhunter:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/148326/3926183-2760690541-26506.png

REstrained Despero...for a biiit:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111131028/3398766-tearrrr.jpg

Whilst 'mollycoddling' WW, at least ensnares her for a split second.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/84761/3991144-1229834_858x1046.jpg

Sure, the last two are kinda crap as far as feats go. But Despero is no weakling, AND he was using his energy blasts as well. And WW, considering her strength feats, was still brought down to one knee.

I wouldn't consider these STRENGTH feats, but when it comes to effectiveness, not being strength doesn't matter too much.

Also thought I'd note, IIRC, the one with Wonder Woman, it was stated everybody but Batman was holding back. So, Plas wasn't trying as hard as he could.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I wouldn't consider these STRENGTH feats, but when it comes to effectiveness, not being strength doesn't matter too much.

Also thought I'd note, IIRC, the one with Wonder Woman, it was stated everybody but Batman was holding back. So, Plas wasn't trying as hard as he could.

I count it as a strength because he is restraining them and making them do things against their will. but agreed, it could just be a matter of leverage.

But still, if he had say street level human strength, he'd never be able to do that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I count it as a strength because he is restraining them and making them do things against their will. but agreed, it could just be a matter of leverage.

But still, if he had say street level human strength, he'd never be able to do that.

I see it similar to Flash hitting people really hard despite normal strength. That Plas' power gives him the equivalent.

Flash's punches are due to mass.

Whilst Plas can ALSO increase his mass (and hence, his strength), some of the times he is still 'human' sized when he does his feats (example, with Captain Marvel).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Flash's punches are due to mass.

Whilst Plas can ALSO increase his mass (and hence, his strength), some of the times he is still 'human' sized when he does his feats (example, with Captain Marvel).

I was using it as an example of someone with normal human strength but still doing superhuman strength equivalent feats. Also, is it always the case his mass increases? I believe it has to be a certain speed.

Regardless while I disagree completely on it being strength, I don't disagree on the effectiveness and relevancy of the feats themselves, so this is basically arguing semantics and derailing the topic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I count it as a strength because he is restraining them and making them do things against their will. but agreed, it could just be a matter of leverage.

But still, if he had say street level human strength, he'd never be able to do that.

Lol...you try too hard.

Originally posted by leonidas
that was precisely what i was gonna ask. 👆 in fact, given the magical resistance of the marvels and adam, i'd have thought the magic mace would have done even LESS than usual....

as far as the gas station explosion--after spm v fl that may be the best known case of pis in forum history and i was sure that long ago that was ruled as inadmissible....

Lol...and Hawkman doing that good against Adam is a normal? Look at their other fights. Anyways, the gas station explosion happened in the same arc Superman and Doomsday fought under the same writer. You bringing up, even mentioning Adam fight against Hawkman was out of hand...especially looking at Adam history.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...you try too hard.

I've posted scans of Plastic Man affecting class 100s, as per Surturs question.

You and I however are discussing GLs.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've posted scans of Plastic Man affecting class 100s, as per Surturs question.

You and I however are discussing GLs.

Make a thread on the tier of strength Hal is in or Alann. I would love to see the results.

Why do I need to make a thread?

I challenged you to a BZ. You said nah, we can debate it here. Now you want a thread opened?

There's a good Thanos vs Starbreaker thread. Did Hal add any strength? Apparently you don't think so, right?