Adult Naruto vs Adult Sasuke

Started by Kento3 pages

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This implies that while he is using Kurama Sage Mode, his reactions are on par with Sasuke's, who is using his EMS.
I wouldn't really call that proof of precog. More like he's able to see Obito's attacks, and that they have a tell way of moving for him to time with.

That's true, but meh, he has Sage Mode active, and Sage Mode seems to give him some form of precog.

But very different than Sharingan type that seems to be able to see where you'll attack will be. Course Gai and Byakugan have a similar ability also. Though Gais is from training to fight the Sharingan

Sage Mode has similar effects. Instead of seeing it, his senses become one with nature. He can feel the direction of movements in the air around him, and respond accordingly. He reacted to Obito's speed just as well as Sasuke.

Originally posted by Kento
But very different than Sharingan type that seems to be able to see where you'll attack will be. Course Gai and Byakugan have a similar ability also. Though Gais is from training to fight the Sharingan

Well, yeah, it's not visual based, but it's still precog. Like Kabuto, who dodged Sasuke's Susanoo arrow even though he couldn't see.

Byakugan has precog?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well, yeah, it's not visual based, but it's still precog. Like Kabuto, who dodged Sasuke's Susanoo arrow even though he couldn't see.

Byakugan has precog?

It has the ability to interpret body language, not precognition per se but close to what the sharingan does anyway. Which would make sense why Neji hasn't shown speed like Lee and won constantly.

Originally posted by Kento
It has the ability to interpret body language, not precognition

Which is exactly what the Sharingan does.

Originally posted by Kento
It has the ability to interpret body language, not precognition per se but close to what the sharingan does anyway. Which would make sense why Neji hasn't shown speed like Lee and won constantly.

I can't remember that. Where was it stated? The Hinata fight?

Kaiten seems to be a good defence against raw speed.

Without reading the thread first:

Always thought Naruto could have beaten, if not killed, Sasuke at any time post time skip, but for angst and a misplaced loyalty.

Put, say, Luffy in Naruto's body, and watch the epic beat down.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I can't remember that. Where was it stated? The Hinata fight?

Kaiten seems to be a good defence against raw speed.

He was able to 'read' Hinatas mind by body language. Interpreting body language would lead to knowing how it move in a fight.

Yea, but not if he couldn't get it off in time or raw speed tricked him and faked out for him to release his energy and attack after since the range is striking distance. Unless its Hiashi then its a huge range.

Originally posted by cdtm
Without reading the thread first:

Always thought Naruto could have beaten, if not killed, Sasuke at any time post time skip, but for angst and a misplaced loyalty.

Put, say, Luffy in Naruto's body, and watch the epic beat down.

Why did you intentionally not read the thread's OP? It's kinda important to the match.

Originally posted by Kento
He was able to 'read' Hinatas mind by body language. Interpreting body language would lead to knowing how it move in a fight.

Yea, but not if he couldn't get it off in time or raw speed tricked him and faked out for him to release his energy and attack after since the range is striking distance. Unless its Hiashi then its a huge range.

That's part Byakugan (catching the rapid eye-movement), and part Neji knowing what exactly those eye movements mean. The Byakugan doesn't have an built-in body language reader that would allow the user to predict movements. Neji had to analyse those movements himself.
Also, remember, Neji's ridiculously special. He was able to learn high-level Byakugan techs just by observing them.

Well, either way, he's definitely fast enough to react to and counter Lee. Poor Lee.

Originally posted by cdtm
Always thought Naruto could have beaten, if not killed, Sasuke at any time post time skip, but for angst and a misplaced loyalty.

Yeah no.

Insight is a byakugan ability. Not something neji learned. And knowing your opponents body language even if you have to analyze it in your head is a way to predict how they would move. Its one reason long range fighters have a big advantage against neji. That's why I said its not precog per se but like Gais ability to fight an opponent and just look at their feet, without the need to train endlessly to develop. Its a lesser version of the sharingans precog. Which is just reading body language really

Yes, insight is a Byakugan ability, but that insight is specific to chakra and vision, and not body movements. It can track movements, but it cannot auto-analyse those movements and predict the person's next movement(s) from that.
Analysing your opponent's body language is Neji's skill. None of the other Hyuugas have demonstrated that ability afaik, but no reason they shouldn't.
And we know Neji would be skilled at analysing body movements because he's the only Hyuuga who could learn their techniques via observation.

It's just like the Hyuuga focusing their Gentle Fist style on the Byakugan's ability to see the Tenketsu. Gentle Fist is not an ability of the Byakugan, but the Hyuuga. Neji analysing Hinata's body language is similarly Neji's skill which is aided/based on a Byakugan ability.

Or Itachi predicting Kabuto's movements when he could not see Kabuto, because he knew what Kabuto would likely do.

Whereas the Sharingan's precog is in-built and doesn't require analysis from the user.

So you did hit the nail on the head when you compared it to Gai's ability to track movements whilst looking at his opponent's feet. Because it's really Neji's ability to analyse body language, not the Byakugan's.

More important than either Naruto or Sasuke: DP, read Magi. =3

Right, sorry mate, I keep forgetting.

It even has it's own Sasko(a mix of Sasuke and Zuko, can't possibly go wrong!)

Hmm. Does it have it's own Phoenix King Ozaitachi?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Hmm. Does it have it's own Phoenix King Ozaitachi?

It does.

I see there are anime series out. Anime, manga or both?