Gauntlet: Anakin Skywalker & Ahsoka Tano

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Honestly not seeing how OCW feats are any more over the top than what we see in TOR and shit like that.

I personally love OCW, and watched most of it again recently, which got me thinking about how these Jedi perform like they always should. I would rather see Mace soloing armies instead of having trouble with 1 non force sensitive. If you want to ignore AOTC and TCW showings that contradict with OCW, be my guest as I'm trying to decide whether I should do the same as well. But don't compare that act to simply acknowledging the feats of TOR characters.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Palpatine may have surpassed Darth Thanaton in the area of Force Lightning at some point though.

Originally posted by Sinious
Am I missing out on a higher canon that depicts the same TOR characters as much weaker and vulnerable against squadrons of droids, let alone entire armies?

I personally love OCW, and watched most of it again recently, which got me thinking about how these Jedi perform like they always should. I would rather see Mace soloing armies instead of having trouble with 1 non force sensitive. If you want to ignore AOTC and TCW showings that contradict with OCW, be my guest as I'm trying to decide whether I should do the same as well. But don't compare that act to simply acknowledging the feats of TOR characters.

Seriously? So in AotC the jedi were cornered and defeated, but in OCW they solo large numbers of droids so it's inconsistent. Hmmmm....

Let's take a look at KotFE shall we?

Lana + Outlander is no match for Vaylin, Heskal stomps Senya, Outlander beats Heskal, Senya beats Vaylin.

So KotFE hierarchy looks like this: Outlander + Lana < Vaylin < Senya <<< Heskal < Outlander.

Seems inconsistent, don't you think?

But let's get further back: Healthy Hope Malgus can't one shot a trooper, yet later when injured he one shots a Jedi.

Guess what people? EU was always inconsistent. If you want to disregard an entire source, because it's inconsistent, then there is no Star Wars.

I would think there is a big difference between PIS within the same source and an entire medium clearly exaggerating the powers of Jedi across the board, in comparison to other higher mediums.

Unreliable sources exist, and distinctions have and need to be made, and the fact is Movies + TCW > OCW. The former sources are just more accurate.

lel. TCW is like the most inconsistent source. And it's not like OCW is constantly inconsistent.

How is this beyond the second most powerful jedi up until AotC?

How is this beyond one of the most powerful jedi who ever lived?

How is this beyond the mother****ing Chosen One, the pinnacle of mortal force usage?

But of course barely knighted TOR jedi are the best, so when they blow open 20m blast doors it's totally legit.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Seriously? So in AotC the jedi were cornered and defeated, but in OCW they solo large numbers of droids so it's inconsistent. Hmmmm....

Let's take a look at KotFE shall we?

Lana + Outlander is no match for Vaylin, Heskal stomps Senya, Outlander beats Heskal, Senya beats Vaylin.

So KotFE hierarchy looks like this: Outlander + Lana < Vaylin < Senya <<< Heskal < Outlander.

Seems inconsistent, don't you think?

But let's get further back: Healthy Hope Malgus can't one shot a trooper, yet later when injured he one shots a Jedi.

Guess what people? EU was always inconsistent. If you want to disregard an entire source, because it's inconsistent, then there is no Star Wars.

About Malgus, non force sensitives often end up giving Jedi/Sith trouble. This happens in PT or other eras mostly because the story is usually more important than the OPness of the characters. But I'd say it happened in Hope to show that classes like trooper, agent etc are not inferior to force sensitive classes in the game.

Like Beni said, OCW is a different case entirely for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
lel. TCW is like the most inconsistent source. And it's not like OCW is constantly inconsistent.

How is this beyond the second most powerful jedi up until AotC?

How is this beyond one of the most powerful jedi who ever lived?

How is this beyond the mother****ing Chosen One, the pinnacle of mortal force usage?

But of course barely knighted TOR jedi are the best, so when they blow open 20m blast doors it's totally legit.

Originally posted by Sinious
If you want to ignore AOTC and TCW showings that contradict with OCW, be my guest as I'm trying to decide whether I should do the same as well. But don't compare that act to simply acknowledging the feats of TOR characters.

Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah every example you gave is similar to what goes on within TCW like Ventress choking Anakin+Kenobi midfight, Maul easily and utterly stomping Savage but then Savage TK'ing Dooku+Ventress and then Anakin+Kenobi etc.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
lel. TCW is like the most inconsistent source.

Exactly, so inconsistencies are pretty much everywhere within the lore, like you said. And like I said, that's completely irrelevant to what we're talking about. 👆

Originally posted by Sinious
And like I said, that's completely irrelevant to what we're talking about. 👆

How is it irrelevant? OCW depicts some of the most powerful force users of all time and those feats are on par with some TOR random showings, yet OCW is constantly disregarded while some people can't even speak coherently with all the TOR cum in their mouth.

I guess it's more complicated than I thought for some people. Let me rephrase it for you:

SWTOR doesn't contradict a higher canon TOR movie, where OCW does.

Don't get me wrong, I think OCW is indeed how those guys should be fighting. Unfortunately, PT fans also lowball other eras and unexposed characters of unexposed eras. So, I guess until era bias dies (which will never happen), you're gonna have a hard time getting fans of different eras to accept OCW feats since all they have to do is point to a higher canon that completely trashes OCW.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
lel. TCW is like the most inconsistent source. And it's not like OCW is constantly inconsistent.

How is this beyond the second most powerful jedi up until AotC?

How is this beyond one of the most powerful jedi who ever lived?

How is this beyond the mother****ing Chosen One, the pinnacle of mortal force usage?

But of course barely knighted TOR jedi are the best, so when they blow open 20m blast doors it's totally legit.

OCW is inconsistent not in an of itself, but in comparison to say the Prequel Trilogy, and 2008 Clone Wars series etc. in that respect, I don't deem in an accurate interpretation of the character's it represents, but an exaggerated one. The lack continuity with canon as a whole.

As for your points:

1. Because despite having 100+ Jedi for backup, he failed to wipe out the same number of droids on Geonosis, you acknowledge this yourself.

2. Lel at Kenobi being one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

3. Because he realised that potential by AoTC and we clearly see that displayed in other sources, like when he gets KO'ed by Dooku's lightning, or struggles to snap a steel binder. 🙄

4. Right, because that is contradicted by like, that other medium the Barsenthor has being depicted in. Oh wait.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As for your points:

1. Because despite having 100+ Jedi for backup, he failed to wipe out the same number of droids on Geonosis, you acknowledge this yourself.

2. Lel at Kenobi being one of the most powerful Jedi ever.

3. Because he realised that potential by AoTC and we clearly see that displayed in other sources, like when he gets KO'ed by Dooku's lightning, or struggles to snap a steel binder. 🙄

4. Right, because that is contradicted by like, that other medium the Barsenthor has being depicted in. Oh wait.

1. By the same ****ed up logic: Early TFU Galen Marek > Yoda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-fkESkmvu0

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I would think there is a big difference between PIS within the same source and an entire medium clearly exaggerating the powers of Jedi across the board.

2. Seriously Beni? I knew you had a low opinion of Kenobi's power, but this is just insulting. List 15 jedi who is more powerful than Kenobi...

3. He still has the highest potential of every force user and he was just knighted...just like the Barsenthor. Their feats are mostly identical but you think one is exaggerated and the other is legit. I wonder why the Chosen Ones is the exaggerated...hmmm...

4. So you are saying for all you care SWTOR younglings could be planet busters as long as it's not contradicted by another TOR medium? That is some SW_Legend level ****ed up shit Beni, ngl.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
1. By the same ****ed up logic: Early TFU Galen Marek > Yoda:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-fkESkmvu0

So let me get this straight. Malgus not being able to one shot a trooper is PIS, but Mace choosing to not TK the droids on Geonosis is his legit showing and not PIS? Okay...

And note I'm not saying what happened in Hope just shouldn't have been possible, merely that for dumb plot reasons Malcolm has seriously effective armor.

2. Seriously Beni? I knew you had a low opinion of Kenobi's power, but this is just insulting. List 15 jedi who is more powerful than Kenobi...

And that's just known Jedi. Fact is Kenobi has never been stated to be one the most powerful Jedi ever lived, cause he ain't.

3. He still has the highest potential of every force user and he was just knighted...just like the Barsenthor. Their feats are mostly identical but you think one is exaggerated and the other is legit. I wonder why the Chosen Ones is the exaggerated...hmmm...

4. So you are saying for all you care SWTOR younglings could be planet busters as long as it's not contradicted by another TOR medium? That is some SW_Legend level ****ed up shit Beni, ngl.

That said I'm hurt, really. 🙂

Honestly, I agree with Beni. Malgus is still terrible doe.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
and prolly Ahsoka Tano

Originally posted by Sinious
You can't be serious with this, Legend. Even mentioning Thanaton's lightning in the same sentence with Palpatine's is beyond ridiculous.

Force Lightning is not just about raw power; mindset and command of the application are more important factors. An individual can be gifted in its use.

Following demonstrations are nothing to sneeze at:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/0/02/StaticBarrierThanaton01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131124100711

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/ab/ThanatonKalligLightning01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130206051504

Darth Nox drew on the power of several Force ghosts to protect himself from a Force Lightning Storm unleashed by Darth Thanaton; this is not a common development. Darth Thanaton's expression was truly formidable.

Now consider the example of Bastilla Shan; she was gifted in the use of Battle Meditation. We know that Bastilla Shan doesn't holds a candle to Palpatine in the aspect of raw power but should we assume that Bastilla Shan could not compete with Palpatine in the use of Battle Meditation?

I do believe that Palpatine could conjure more potent expressions of Force Lightning than Darth Thanaton.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
May I ask why? Your source is not self-explanatory.

You can't claim Windu's performance in AotC was PIS because its contradicted by a different, lesser source, written after the movie.

Luke, Yoda, Jacen Solo, Kyp Durron, Cade Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, Jaina Solo, Master Fay, Mace Windu, Meetra Surik, HoT, Barsenthor, KOTOR Revan, Jedi Dooku and prolly Ahsoka Tano (or Shaak Ti if your not satisfied) I'm sure I could think of more.

And that's just known Jedi. Fact is Kenobi has never been stated to be one the most powerful Jedi ever lived, cause he ain't.

1. Lol @ half of your list.
2. Yes he was:

3. Are you aware that Plo ****ing Koon has that accolade?

Plo Koon is a member of the Jedi High Council and a Jedi General in the Clone Wars. Koon is one of the most powerful Jedi ever, with awesome fighting ability, strong telekinetic powers and superb piloting skills.
—Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia

Your Kenobi lowballing is noted, now move on.

How are they identical? The Barsenthor blew open a massive door, Anakin TK'ed a cruiser sized weapons platform. And its exaggerated because he never displays that level of power like, anywhere else.

Because Barsenthor couldn't lift 3 crates and 1 human on the same planet she blow open the door.

This in-between medium inconsistency you are preaching is just ridiculous when you consider how big inconsistencies are there within mediums.

I'm saying that my personal opinion is not grounds for dismissing material, what I think of it is irrelevant unless its contradicted by another source, or can be deemed inaccurate via official canon rules

That said I'm hurt, really. 🙂

So explain this: Mace Windu is canonically more powerful than Barsenthor. Mace chose to not TK the droids in AotC which for some reason to you means he can't. In OCW he did, but you ignore that. Yet Barsenthor has feats on par with the inconsistent OCW feat, yet you think that is legit.

How does this work exactly?

That's why Legends IS Legends. Because legendary tales of the Barsen'thor as well as contemporary masters like Mace.

This whole debate never ceases to amuse me. It was petty before the canon/legends split. Now? It's absolutely moot.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Seriously? So in AotC the jedi were cornered and defeated, but in OCW they solo large numbers of droids so it's inconsistent. Hmmmm....

It is difficult to justify some OCW-related showings of a PT-era character even in strictly logical terms.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Let's take a look at KotFE shall we?

Lana + Outlander is no match for Vaylin, Heskal stomps Senya, Outlander beats Heskal, Senya beats Vaylin.

So KotFE hierarchy looks like this: Outlander + Lana < Vaylin < Senya <<< Heskal < Outlander.

Seems inconsistent, don't you think?

1. Lana Beniko could not contend with Vaylin [1 on 1] and the Outlander was too weak (compromised) to make difference in the outcome of a confrontation between the aforementioned Force-users during this time due to being frozen in carbonite for 5 years straight. Simply put, Beniko and the Outlander could not take any chances during this time.

2. Not much is known about the capabilities of Heskal at the moment but he appears to be a powerhouse with excellent foresight. Senya might have underestimated him.

3. The Outlander is no pushover. Suppose that he refused Valkorion's assistance during his confrontation with Heskal, the cut-scene reveals that the Outlander was able to anticipate moves of Heskal with great clarity.

4. Yes, but Vaylin might have been conflicted about killing her own mother at this point. Later on, Vaylin remarked that she will not spare her mother next time should they meet again.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
But let's get further back: Healthy Hope Malgus can't one shot a trooper, yet later when injured he one shots a Jedi.

You don't read much, do you?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Guess what people? EU was always inconsistent. If you want to disregard an entire source, because it's inconsistent, then there is no Star Wars.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
4. So you are saying for all you care SWTOR younglings could be planet busters as long as it's not contradicted by another TOR medium? That is some SW_Legend level ****ed up shit Beni, ngl.

I am a fan of TOR era content but I am not a fan of far-fetched portrayals.