Silver Surfer VERSUS Superman SLUGFEST!

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Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E[b]32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat. [/B]

I know you're joking, but the moon doesn't have 81 billion tons, it was a mistake that the author later admitted.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E[b]32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat. [/B]


McDuffie admitted that there was an error in printing and instead of 81 quadrillion tons, it was 81 billion tons.

You can see where Hardware says it had the mass of the real moon.

Delta1938 True King of House of El
Originally posted by Surtur
Comparable in durability? Well hey it makes sense..it's not like Superman KO'ed himself destroying a replica of the moon, right?

In addition to the context others have pointed you left out, the energy that replica was made of drains Superman.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E[b]32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat. [/B]

That's not the mass of the moon and the writer later clarify that he made a mistake.

Plus you are not taking into account that he just didn't "stop" the moon he PULVERIZED IT.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte
Originally posted by Delta1938
In addition to the context others have pointed you left out, the energy that replica was made of drains Superman.

And that is pure energy.

In theory, if we were able to convert mass into pure energy. The mass of a two story house converted into energy will be enough to destroy earth.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

This is a better way to gauge durability.

By Jim starlin , galactus surviving two planets colliding barely.

By Jim starlin , superman surviving two planets colliding without any scratch

mmm

Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And that is pure energy.

In theory, if we were able to convert mass into pure energy. The mass of a two story house converted into energy will be enough to destroy earth.

That slipped my mind. IIRC, only a few grams of mass were converted into energy in the Hiroshima bomb. I'm not gonna do the math, but even going by the mistaken mass of the shadow moon, that much of pure energy would cause a much greater than Moon busting explosion. And made of energy that drains him. If we go by the actualass of the Moon.....

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E[b]32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat. [/B]


Darksaint's numbers are right, he just misspoke when he said the moon was 81 billion tons.

Astronomers have calculated this using the real mass of the moon (i.e., 7.3 x 10^22 kg), and according to them it takes only 1.2 x 10^29 joules to destroy the moon. So darksaint's numbers check out.

Source: http://www.universetoday.com/121421/how-could-we-destroy-the-moon/

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by One-Punch
Darksaint's numbers are right, he just misspoke when he said the moon was 81 billion tons.

Astronomers have calculated this using the real mass of the moon (i.e., 7.3 x 10^22 kg), and according to them it takes only [b]1.2 x 10^29 joules to destroy the moon. So darksaint's numbers check out.

Source: http://www.universetoday.com/121421/how-could-we-destroy-the-moon/ [/B]


Now multiply that to the speed moon was moving and see how much power it takes to completely dissipate such a mass.

But the feat becomes much more impressive when you take into consideration how characters like Zatanna, Wonder Woman and John Stewart were unable to do anything to it.

That's why it's so much more impressive.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now multiply that to the speed moon was moving and see how much power it takes to completely dissipate such a mass.

Darksaint already did that. He actually had the right numbers in the first place.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Not really.

Anyway, space cheese really isn't that impressive because of real life numbers. It's the hierarchy that matters.

Surfer really can't compete with Superman in durability department.

ghostman Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right, h1, I summon you to check my numbers.

To destroy a moon of 81 billion tons, stationary, would require 1.23E29 Joules. This is using the gravitational binding energy equation, and the mass and radius of the moon as from here:
http://www.the-solar-system.net/planets-facts.html

But wait! it was not stationary. So adding KE=1/2mv squared, to completely stop it, gives an additional 1.6E26 Joules.

Adding them together, gives 1.29E29 Joules.

To bust the Earth, you would need 2.2E[b]32 Joules.

So planet busting is several magnitudes above that moon feat. [/B]

dwayne mcduffie made a mistake in calculating the moons mass, its actually 81 quintillion tons, batman was wrong.

carver9 Senior Member

@ABHI...

And Surfer survived this...

http://i.imgur.com/cKgxxVn.jpg

And TANKED this (which was created by him and Morg head butting each other...

http://i.imgur.com/704Tkq2.jpg

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by ghostman
dwayne mcduffie made a mistake in calculating the moons mass, its actually 81 quintillion tons, batman was wrong.

What numbers did it give on panel though?

ghostman Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

And Surfer survived this...

http://i.imgur.com/cKgxxVn.jpg

And TANKED this (which was created by him and Morg head butting each other...

http://i.imgur.com/704Tkq2.jpg

in the first one he was the one who discharged the energy...

sigh....just.... sigh

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

And Surfer survived this...

http://i.imgur.com/cKgxxVn.jpg

And TANKED this (which was created by him and Morg head butting each other...

http://i.imgur.com/704Tkq2.jpg


First is an alternate Surfer amped on blackbody.

Superman survived attacks from Void Hound which destroyed ten star systems in one go and ripped apart stars.

Originally posted by carver9
What numbers did it give on panel though?

About the same of the moon which killed Surfer!

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte
Originally posted by Delta1938
That slipped my mind. IIRC, only a few grams of mass were converted into energy in the Hiroshima bomb. I'm not gonna do the math, but even going by the mistaken mass of the shadow moon, that much of pure energy would cause a much greater than Moon busting explosion. And made of energy that drains him. If we go by the actualass of the Moon.....

Yep 👆

ghostman Senior Member
Originally posted by carver9
What numbers did it give on panel though?

81 quintillion tons. it says the mass of the real moon, which is 81 quintillion tons. try again.

smh.... you try so hard to downplay superman its pathetic

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by ghostman
in the first one he was the one who discharged the energy...

sigh....just.... sigh

And he survived the detonation. Even though the energy was disharged by him, it doesn't mean that he can not feel the blunt of his attack. Ask Superman. His heat vision pierce his hand.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22332442/9368337.jpg.html

Sigh, just sigh.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.

Anyway, space cheese really isn't that impressive because of real life numbers. It's the hierarchy that matters.

Surfer really can't compete with Superman in durability department.


How's he not right?

He said it took 1.23E29 Joules to destroy a stationary moon.

Astronomers say it takes 1.2E29 Joules to destroy a stationary moon using the real mass of the moon.

1.23E29 vs. 1.2E29? They're approx the same number.

He accounted for the speed of the moon and added 1.6E26 Joules to 1.2E29 and got 1.29E29 Joules.

1.29E29 Joules to destroy the moving moon <<<<<<<<< 2.2E32 Joules needed to destroy a stationary planet.

Not surprising because it takes 1800x more energy to destroy a planet than a moon according to the astronomy article. The moon moving fast ain't gonna change it by much.

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PS: Surfer didn't die.