Feds Find Iran Guilty of Hacking

Dam Hackers

NEW YORK -- A probe by the Justice Department has determined that Iran was responsible for a 2013 cyberattack on a dam in the New York City suburbs, and an indictment is expected soon, a U.S. official told The Associated Press Thursday.

The official, who was briefed on the probe, spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing criminal investigation.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/feds-find-iran-was-behind-hack-into-us-dam-ap/

Surely this is a different Iran from the one we made a deal with recently..correct? Since the Iran we made a deal with is nothing but trustworthy.

This is the same people that Bardock said were telling the truth when they said they didn't want to blow up Israel, so yes, its the same Iran.

How/ why should these people be trusted with Nukes when they can't stop committing international crime?

I foresee people will brush it aside by saying that we aren't exactly innocent when it comes to hacking other countries. Which is true, but then again it doesn't necessarily negate the fact we can't seem to trust the people we're making nuke deals with.

Iranians want nukes to maintain world peace goddamn it!

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How/ why should these people be trusted with Nukes when they can't stop committing international crime?

They shouldn't be trusted with nukes. Which is what the Iran deal ensures for the foreseeable future. That's why most reasonable people are for it.

So a deal that gives them nukes in 10.2 years

A deal that wont allow the IAEA to disclose if they broke the deal

A deal that allows Iran to self inspect

A deal that makes US defend Iran if Israel that attacks because of a broken deal

A deal that allows iran to keep their centerfuges

A deal with a country that hacks and threatens to launch missiles and has just broken more UN resolutions

This is a good deal to you?

I can't say you are smart.

Originally posted by Bardock42
They shouldn't be trusted with nukes. Which is what the Iran deal ensures for the foreseeable future. That's why most reasonable people are for it.

But there is still the whole thing with inspections right? Where they need several days notice..and possibly even up to a few weeks notice? Or has that changed?

Since if you do not feel they can be trusted with nukes then surely they also couldn't be trusted when it comes to inspections to make sure they don't have nukes?

Oh yea I forgot about that, they can delay inspection up to 24-48 days..

48 days is utterly unacceptable. 24 days is still unacceptable.

Originally posted by Surtur
But there is still the whole thing with inspections right? Where they need several days notice..and possibly even up to a few weeks notice? Or has that changed?

Since if you do not feel they can be trusted with nukes then surely they also couldn't be trusted when it comes to inspections to make sure they don't have nukes?

The experts are satisfied with the conditions of inspections. I do not know enough about inspecting nuclear refineries to judge the deal in that aspect and therefore have to defer to expert opinion. Perhaps you have more knowledge in this field, then you should share your expertise with us.

Bardock says its a good deal though, what doe she know that we dont?

Originally posted by Stigma
Iranians want nukes to maintain world peace goddamn it!

'Maintaining peace' is the reason other nuclear countries use as the reason for keeping their nuclear arsenal. N. Korea might be the one exception.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The experts are satisfied with the conditions of inspections. I do not know enough about inspecting nuclear refineries to judge the deal in that aspect and therefore have to defer to expert opinion. Perhaps you have more knowledge in this field, then you should share your expertise with us.

Why should they get 48 days? Can anyone explain why they'd need 48 days to prepare if they have nothing to hide? Or even why they'd need 24 days?

Also surely you are aware there have been experts that aren't satisfied with the conditions, right? Not every expert has the same opinion of this deal.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The experts are satisfied with the conditions of inspections. I do not know enough about inspecting nuclear refineries to judge the deal in that aspect and therefore have to defer to expert opinion. Perhaps you have more knowledge in this field, then you should share your expertise with us.

Wrong again, the deal specifically states that the "experts" whoever those people are are not allowed to disclose if the deal was broken, try again.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Wrong again, the deal specifically states that the "experts" whoever those people are are not allowed to disclose if the deal was broken, try again.

WTF?! Why can't they disclose if the deal is broken? Was this agreement drawn up by a 12 yr. old boy?

If they break the deal we deserve to know..the world deserves to know.

Yes read about it here

http://www.isis-online.org/uploads/isis-reports/documents/First_JCPOA_Post-Implementation_Day_Report_26Feb2016_Final.pdf

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/olli-heinonen-the-iaeas-latest-report-falls-short1/

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/07/great-news-iran-deal-monitors-cant-disclose-violations/

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Bardock says its a good deal though, what doe she know that we dont?

We don't have to take my word, we can take one of your articles again

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
For all the blow hards here

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-fires-2-missiles-marked-israel-must-wiped-071612751.html

Also the Iran deal makes it impossible for the Inspectors to tell the world if Iran has violated the deal..

Some good deal huh? I bet everyone who supported this deal feels pretty small now.

http://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-facts-on-the-iran-nuclear-negotiations/

From your article:

Regarding Iran inspecting itself:

"In August 2015 the Associated Press incorrectly reported that a leaked draft of an agreement between the IAEA and Iran indicated that “Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear weapons.” Within hours, experts and the IAEA corrected the record.

IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano refuted this claim: “I am disturbed by statements suggesting that the IAEA has given responsibility for nuclear inspections to Iran. Such statements misrepresent the way in which we will undertake this important verification work.”

On Iran cheating

The deal is not based on trust; it’s based on verification. The IAEA will have 24/7 access to Iran’s known nuclear facilities and will be closely monitoring Iran’s supply chain of nuclear materials, centrifuge production lines, and any purchases that might be used for a nuclear program. The deal also provides timely inspections to any undeclared facilities where suspected nuclear activity may be occurring. If Iran does cheat, they will be caught and sanctions will be re-imposed.

On Iran keeping centrifuges:

There are also aspects of the deal that Iran can’t easily undo. Iran must dismantle two-thirds of its installed centrifuges, remove 98% of its uranium stockpile, and permanently alter the Arak Plutonium reactor before it receives any relief from economic sanctions. These actions will be verified by the IAEA and will greatly increase the time it would take Iran to obtain weapons-grade nuclear material.

So basically you lied about all of this, and an article that you posted proves that you are dishonest.

Thanks for reposting what I said, everything there is correct and accurate and you are a liar.

"The head of the international community’s nuclear watchdog organization disclosed Monday that certain agreements reached under the Iran nuclear deal limit inspectors from publicly reporting on potential violations by the Islamic Republic.

Yukiya Amano, chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, or IAEA, which is responsible for ensuring Iran complies with the agreement, told reporters that his agency is no longer permitted to release details about Iran’s nuclear program and compliance with the deal.

Amano’s remarks come on the heels of a February IAEA oversight report that omitted many details and figures related to Iran’s nuclear program. The report sparked questions from outside nuclear experts and accusations from critics that the IAEA was not being transparent with its findings.

Amano disclosed in response to questions from reporters that the last report was intentionally vague because the nuclear agreement prohibits the IAEA from publishing critical data about Iran’s program that had been disclosed by the agency in the past."

Originally posted by Surtur
WTF?! Why can't they disclose if the deal is broken? Was this agreement drawn up by a 12 yr. old boy?

If they break the deal we deserve to know..the world deserves to know.

You should read the link that TI posted in the other thread, it has a long section about how the 24day thing is a vast simplification and the conditions for inspection are actually very, very good for the IAEA.

Here's the link again: http://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-facts-on-the-iran-nuclear-negotiations/